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Quesitons on Evolution

Postby Catan » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:13 am

I was looking on Conservapedia (a hilarious website, by the by) and I came across an article about the "falsehood" of evolution. Central too it were these http://creation.com/15-questions . There were a few I could not answer, could you guys at NSG help me out? I really want to kick this thing in, because then their entire argument falls to shreds.

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Postby Catan » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:17 am

Thank you, much obliged.

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Postby Foguk » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:22 am

1. We don't have to answer that. Thats not our area, nor have we ever said that we know that. That field is abiogenesis.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:19 am

9. Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing?

Oh God, it hurts! Someone doesn't understand how geological processes happen. :palm: And the fact that not everything will fossilise. :palm: And the fact that the fossils we do have, in the order we have them, present a more plausible and rational explanation for our origins than "Because God did it."

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:33 am

Foguk wrote:1. We don't have to answer that. Thats not our area, nor have we ever said that we know that. That field is abiogenesis.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:36 am

Foguk wrote:1. We don't have to answer that. Thats not our area, nor have we ever said that we know that. That field is abiogenesis.
2.

THATS IT, I CAN'T TAKE THE STUPID. ABORT THREAD. ABORT THREAD. SAVE YOURSELVES.


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Postby Nidaria » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:40 am

Yay, another one of these threads! :palm:
I just wish these debate threads just ended. Very few actually change their minds, and these debates usually consist of mud-slinging by one side (and occasionally both).
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:41 am


Talkorigins is easily the best site for debates like these.

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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:52 am

Nidaria wrote:Yay, another one of these threads! :palm:
I just wish these debate threads just ended. Very few actually change their minds, and these debates usually consist of mud-slinging by one side (and occasionally both).

If you don't like debate threads, NSG probably isn't the place for you...
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Postby Nidaria » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:57 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Yay, another one of these threads! :palm:
I just wish these debate threads just ended. Very few actually change their minds, and these debates usually consist of mud-slinging by one side (and occasionally both).

If you don't like debate threads, NSG probably isn't the place for you...

I am fine with debate, I just hate when we argue over the same things for years on end.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:58 am

Nidaria wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:If you don't like debate threads, NSG probably isn't the place for you...

I am fine with debate, I just hate when we argue over the same things for years on end.

NSG probably isn't the place for you.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:59 am

Nidaria wrote:I am fine with debate, I just hate when we argue over the same things for years on end.


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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:07 am

I have about five minutes, so here is a (very) fast answer to these questions.

1. Irrelevant to evolution.

2.The electromagnetic force leads to molecules having certain affinities for associating themselves. Over a great deal of time, they form amino acids, and eventually DNA.

3. They didn't. See an amoeba which has more genetic information than a human.

4. Evolution is driven by natural selection.

5. I admit, this isn't something I am very familiar with. My guess would be that crude pathways gradually became more efficient over time.

6. Begging the question.

7. See algae such as Chlamyodomonas. Single cells form colonies, gradually specialise, and eventually the line between colony and a single organism is blurred.

8. Sex's advantage is variety, asexual's advantage is volume.

9. Who expects millions of transitional fossils?

10. They don't. They change minimally due to a lack of selective pressure.

11. It doesn't. We did.

12. There are no "just-so" stories in evolution. Human behaviour is incredibly complex and cannot be explained with such simplistic pigeon-holing.

13. See the entire field of biology including much of modern medicine.

14. Evolution has been observed in many instances.

15. It's a sad day when the religious don't even know what religion is.

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Postby Serenicy » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:08 am

Nidaria wrote:Yay, another one of these threads! :palm:
I just wish these debate threads just ended. Very few actually change their minds, and these debates usually consist of mud-slinging by one side (and occasionally both).


It's a fun opportunity for some people to actually learn something. I used to be a creationist before I entered debates like these.

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Postby Nidaria » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:11 am

Serenicy wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Yay, another one of these threads! :palm:
I just wish these debate threads just ended. Very few actually change their minds, and these debates usually consist of mud-slinging by one side (and occasionally both).


It's a fun opportunity for some people to actually learn something. I used to be a creationist before I entered debates like these.

When evolutionists outnumber creationists a hundred to one, one is bound to get worn down sooner or later.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:13 am

Nidaria wrote:
Serenicy wrote:
It's a fun opportunity for some people to actually learn something. I used to be a creationist before I entered debates like these.

When evolutionists outnumber creationists a hundred to one, one is bound to get worn down sooner or later.


It's called scientific progress.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:14 am

Serenicy wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Yay, another one of these threads! :palm:
I just wish these debate threads just ended. Very few actually change their minds, and these debates usually consist of mud-slinging by one side (and occasionally both).


It's a fun opportunity for some people to actually learn something. I used to be a creationist before I entered debates like these.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:14 am

Quesitons you say? Do elaborate.
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Answer for all 15: BECAUSE SCIENCE! Don't need to elaborate any more than this because creationists won't understand SCIENCE! and/or will call it a lie so its kind of pointless to elaborate.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:16 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Quesitons you say? Do elaborate.

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Postby Woffordia » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:22 am

The Corparation wrote:Answer for all 15: BECAUSE SCIENCE! Don't need to elaborate any more than this because creationists won't understand SCIENCE! and/or will call it a lie so its kind of pointless to elaborate.


No offense, but that doesn't sound convincing, even to someone on your side like me.

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:23 am

Woffordia wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Answer for all 15: BECAUSE SCIENCE! Don't need to elaborate any more than this because creationists won't understand SCIENCE! and/or will call it a lie so its kind of pointless to elaborate.


No offense, but that doesn't sound convincing, even to someone on your side like me.

It's a joke. Lighten up.

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Postby Immoren » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:23 am

Catan wrote:I was looking on Conservapedia (a hilarious website, by the by) and I came across an article about the "falsehood" of evolution. Central too it were these http://creation.com/15-questions . There were a few I could not answer, could you guys at NSG help me out? I really want to kick this thing in, because then their entire argument falls to shreds.


Haven't all these questions been answered like hundreds of times?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:23 am

Woffordia wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Answer for all 15: BECAUSE SCIENCE! Don't need to elaborate any more than this because creationists won't understand SCIENCE! and/or will call it a lie so its kind of pointless to elaborate.


No offense, but that doesn't sound convincing, even to someone on your side like me.


When you're faced with questions as poor as those 15, it's not really worth putting effort into answering them.
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