Bullying can be good, especially "Anti-gay" bullying

[The Nuclear Fist]

I know that it happened way less. If somebody called you a queer, you and your friends would just beat them up.

I'd love to see a source backing that up.

[Samuraikoku]

That only works if people are convinced that the dead cannot be punished.

Good luck trying to punish a dead person.

[Ceannairceach]

It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".

Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.

I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.

Prove that really, really stupid sounding statement, and discredit the idea that children are persecuted not only for their sexuality, but their perceived sexuality.

It doesn't matter if they agree or not. They have to obey the law and not harass and bully them because of it. To do so is to break the law. Are we letting people break the law now?

[Thanatttynia]

Cannot say I've ever been bullied. But I was a mixture of "cliques" in my High School and one of those was camp. I was probably the campest popular guy, but I realise what it's like. There were these two people when I was in Year 7 & Year 8. They hung around in a little group with about 5 or 6 others of their type, and they were pricks - they weren't nice to anyone, they insulted my girls, they weren't on any of the school sports teams and they were ugly as hell. Basically, they kept calling me names whilst I was with my friends, which was rather irritating, but since everyone was behind me I could live with it. Then one day I was about to get the bus when they poured all their lemonade on and called me a gayboy and I just snapped. I hit the two ringleaders so hard because they were arses. And still, no-one likes them. But yeah, story over guys. Basically what I'm saying is, as long as you have a thick skin and know what constitutes bullying, a few annoying people that no-one likes can't harm you. It made me stronger. The trick is to know when it's unacceptable.

[Seperates]

People didn't kill themselves for fear of being called gay before the 60s? Do you really think that?

I know that it happened way less. If somebody called you a queer, you and your friends would just beat them up.

If you are refering to the Stonewall riots, there were other reasons.

Your reality is a very odd place to be in. Shame it has no correalation with mine.

[The Nuclear Fist]

It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".

Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.

I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.

Define 'talking about their sex life'. Do you mean talking about their being homosexual, talking about people they're attracted to, etc? You know, the things heterosexuals do all the time.

[Retro Lyra]

Because we all obviously share the same mentality as you.

[Anglican Prussia]

The thing is, why are they killing themselves?

Depression?

Why can't they handle "mean" words?

I'm sure they can 'handle' 'mean' words in and of themselves, but systemic harassment is something that few people can withstand without developing a mental illness.

But is it harassment if there is classroom discussion on same-sex marriage and a student simply said "I personally believe marriage is only between one man and one women and my religion says homosexuality is a sin.", is that harassment?

[Khadgar]

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

The thing is, why are they killing themselves? Why can't they handle "mean" words?

This post right here proves you've never been bullied. Which in turn leads one to question the intent behind this thread.

[Exogenous Imperium]

I am, sadly, horrified to think that you believe that we should tolerate and/or encourage homophobic abuse in schools to try to "correct" homosexuality. I've been openly homosexual for 3 years and, yes, people have treated me as a second class citizen in some instances.

Other, more mature people, have credited me for not only having the strength to come out of the closet, but also to have the strength to talk about homosexuality and homophobia to the other year groups at my school.

The world isn't meant to be based on brutality, it's meant to be based on respect and kindness. I am concerned your personal feeling leach far too strongly into your roleplaying, Anglican Prussia. Homophobia is an awful, criminal thing and I will not associate myself with awful criminals.

You have a source for that?

[Ceannairceach]

Depression?



I'm sure they can 'handle' 'mean' words in and of themselves, but systemic harassment is something that few people can withstand without developing a mental illness.

But is it harassment if there is classroom discussion on same-sex marriage and a student simply said "I personally believe marriage is only between one man and one women and my religion says homosexuality is a sin.", is that harassment?

No. But children or teachers or anyone else specifically targeting their statements at a single child is.

[Anglican Prussia]

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

[Ostroeuropa]

Funnily enough, I was a socially awkward child and frequently bullied.

I couldn't make friends with very many people, and I got bullied a lot.

And...
It didn't help at all. What finally got me able to look people in the eye and talk to them was when someone was, you know, my friend. Not an asshole who just mocked me

[Williamson]

well somepeople have way less self estem than you. Bullying someone is never right because you never know what is going on in someone mind.

[Williamson]

well somepeople have way less self estem than you. Bullying someone is never right because you never know what is going on in someone mind.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Depression?



I'm sure they can 'handle' 'mean' words in and of themselves, but systemic harassment is something that few people can withstand without developing a mental illness.

But is it harassment if there is classroom discussion on same-sex marriage and a student simply said "I personally believe marriage is only between one man and one women and my religion says homosexuality is a sin.", is that harassment?

No. It's a stupid, illogical position based on a complete absence of facts and in fact going against what facts we do have, and if you allow your religion to dictate your beliefs, then I'm sorry for you.

It's all of the above, but harassment? No.

[Ceannairceach]

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

May Satan light your way.

[Saruhan]

People didn't kill themselves for fear of being called gay before the 60s? Do you really think that?

I know that it happened way less. If somebody called you a queer, you and your friends would just beat them up.

Oh, i'm sure that people like the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne would be thrilled to hear that

[Oterro]

I am sorry, but I must go now. I have a comparative essay due in my economics class on the Austrian School VS the Chicago School. Take care and God Bless All of You.

May Satan light your way.

edgy

[Seperates]

I'd say that the school was out-of-bounds on that action. So long as he does not activly harrass homosexual individuals there should be no problem. However, legal 'marriage' has nothing to do with the church and god, and more to do with governmental policy. Seperation of church and state, you know. So bringing up 'sin' is a non-sequitar.

No, it is not. Again, if homosexuals want to public about their sex life, they need to face the fact that not everyone that does not agree with homosexuality is not going to be silent.

Did you read what I wrote?

THE SCHOOL WAS OUT OF BOUNDS ON THAT ACTION.

If he is activly harrassing individuals for their sexual behavior it is just as criminal as if he were to harrass an individual about the color of their skin. Sure, you can poke fun occasionally, but there is a very, very, obvious line that is crossed when you are only doing it for your own sadistic enjoyment of watching that person suffer.

[East Ormania]

Bullying is so good, it led me to suicidal tendencies.
Many years later, i still don't think it was good for me.

[Greater Phenia]

The ends (you being allegedly stronger and more able to deal with people being dicks) do not justify the means (homophobic bullying which often ends with merely victims). They do not make the behavior "good."

Allow me to make a similar argument.

1. In 1998 I was attacked by a serial killer.
2. I survived, and as a result I've grown better able to handle the challenges of my work and life!
3. Therefore, serial killing is good!

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm sure glad I got alcohol poisoning that one time.
It means It's much harder for me to get alcohol poisoning now.

[St James puppet nation]

I have a confession to make; I was bullied when I was in grammar school, and I went to both state run and private schools during my time in grammar school. In both, I was bulled and the staff did little to nothing to stop it. I also grew up with homosexual attractions while I was in the private grammar school which was also a very conservative Roman Catholic School. But I survived and I am still very thankful for my Roman Catholic education for providing me an great education not only on the “ 3 R’S” but on moral values and ethics.

Now, I must say, at the time, the bullying seemed to have no real value. I was bullied because of me weight, of a tumor I had on right side of my cheek, a small pony tail that I used to have, of my learning disability and my alleged and actually true homosexual “crush” on another student, which was actually my first “crush.” But unlike today, I fought back. Well, I did not really fight anyone, I “ripped” on them back.

Today, I hardly talk to them and when I do, we just laugh at it. People mature and people move on. I strongly believe that a bully in his childhood is a bully in his/her adulthood. And if they are, they are most likely just passive-aggressive arses.

Without the bullying that I went through as a child and early teenager, I would not able to survive in adult world today. I had have supervisors that were just plain dicks, and guess what, I am still living. If you can’t handle grammar, middle and high school and the bullies that come with it, then I’m sorry, you are the problem, not the bully.

Currently, especially in the U.S, we seem to have an all of a sudden focus on children and teenagers that are homosexual. There are claims that we need to protect them from the bullies because if someone “harasses” based on their sexuality, they are “harmed” so how. That they need to be a protected class because…well I haven’t really heard a reason why from the advocate for it.

Firstly, I grew up homosexual in a Roman Catholic private school, I was told every day that people like myself was going to hell. In fact, my private school and parish went one step further and preached that even having homosexual attractions was a sin, let alone acting on them. So, I felt like crap and at times, I did want to kill myself. But guess what? I survived through the medicine.

Yes, I am saying that the bullying of homosexual teens is beneficial to them, because it will teach them how to fight back and that not everyone is going to accept homosexuality just because it is “the right and smart thing to do”. There is going to ignorant people out there and people are going to “cling to their religion”, deal with it. It will also teach them not to be ahem...overly expressive in professional environments.

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I get what you're saying, but like that other nation said, "Not everyone reacts the same way as you" some people don't take it as easy, the will kill themselves. They will have no friends, so they won't be socializing in adulthood. Bulling can affect someone emotionally, making adulthood very hard for them. That is why you are wrong.

[Ceannairceach]

May Satan light your way.

edgy

*Shrug* To use the departure "God Bless All of You" seems a bit pompous to me. Seemed appropriate to respond in turn.