Bullying can be good, especially "Anti-gay" bullying

[Anglican Prussia]

So let me get this straight. Intolerance of others is good because it helps them better deal with intolerance?

If someone punches someone in the face, then that is a reason we have to deal with, but for example, there is a class room discussion on gay marriage, and one student says, for example, "According to what I believe and what my religions says, I personally believe homosexuality is a sin and therefore don't believe in gay marriage". A very close friend of mine was suspended for saying that exact words, and the reason given was that it was the anti-bullying policy that school had

[Samuraikoku]

"Deal with it" doesn't lower the teen suicide rate, darling. I'd argue that it's quite detrimental to it.

Telling people convincingly that it is forbidden to commit suicide does lower the teen suicide rate.

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Funny how the Greatest Generation didn't mind being called some bad names. Also funny how emotionally weak people are becoming to where they would kill themselves over being called gay. It's going to be easy for the US to be conquered once we start dropping like flies.

I'm going to guess that you're straight and have never been bullied.

[Madda]

Funny how the Greatest Generation didn't mind being called some bad names. Also funny how emotionally weak people are becoming to where they would kill themselves over being called gay. It's going to be easy for the US to be conquered once we start dropping like flies.

You know... I would be offended by that, but honestly, that would mean your opinion mattered.

It's good that my opinion doesn't matter. Once our society becomes disattached from reality, even then my opinion won't matter.

[Saruhan]

Funny how the Greatest Generation didn't mind being called some bad names. Also funny how emotionally weak people are becoming to where they would kill themselves over being called gay. It's going to be easy for the US to be conquered once we start dropping like flies.

People didn't kill themselves for fear of being called gay before the 60s? Do you really think that?

[Anglican Prussia]

Okay, than what do you believe? Why should we protect those who are offended at something?

Because slander, harassment and assault are all illegal.

But it is not harassment to state that homosexuality is illegal if homosexuals are publicly announcing their sex life.

[Galla-]

"Deal with it" doesn't lower the teen suicide rate, darling. I'd argue that it's quite detrimental to it.

Well, if you become an hero it's likely you'd just have been a detriment to society anyway.

[Simon Cowell of the RR]

So one person out of one school has decided that because he didn't kill himself, bullying must be a good thing.

That is pathetic.
Is bullying a refining fire? Perhaps, but, quite frankly, its not worth the refinement.

[Ceannairceach]

Because slander, harassment and assault are all illegal.

But it is not harassment to state that homosexuality is illegal if homosexuals are publicly announcing their sex life.

It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".

Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.

[Exogenous Imperium]

> Walked in
> Saw the Daily Fail in the links
> Waled out.

Also, I disagree with using hardship as a form of teaching.

Hardship is the ultimate form of teaching. It is how everyone learned long ago the nature of the universe.

How do you learn fire is hot, by placing your hand in fire. How do you learn that things that glow are invariably hot? By touching them once. You never have to do it again and you never forget. There is no easy way to make these relationships.

[Anglican Prussia]

Telling people convincingly that it is forbidden to commit suicide does lower the teen suicide rate.

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

The thing is, why are they killing themselves? Why can't they handle "mean" words?

[Avenio]

Because slander, harassment and assault are all illegal.

But it is not harassment to state that homosexuality is illegal if homosexuals are publicly announcing their sex life.

Homosexuality isn't illegal in the West. Ergo, it's harassment.

[Madda]

Funny how the Greatest Generation didn't mind being called some bad names. Also funny how emotionally weak people are becoming to where they would kill themselves over being called gay. It's going to be easy for the US to be conquered once we start dropping like flies.

People didn't kill themselves for fear of being called gay before the 60s? Do you really think that?

I know that it happened way less. If somebody called you a queer, you and your friends would just beat them up.

[Seperates]

So let me get this straight. Intolerance of others is good because it helps them better deal with intolerance?

If someone punches someone in the face, then that is a reason we have to deal with, but for example, there is a class room discussion on gay marriage, and one student says, for example, "According to what I believe and what my religions says, I personally believe homosexuality is a sin and therefore don't believe in gay marriage". A very close friend of mine was suspended for saying that exact words, and the reason given was that it was the anti-bullying policy that school had

I'd say that the school was out-of-bounds on that action. So long as he does not activly harrass homosexual individuals there should be no problem. However, legal 'marriage' has nothing to do with the church and god, and more to do with governmental policy. Seperation of church and state, you know. So bringing up 'sin' is a non-sequitar.

[Samuraikoku]

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

The thing is, why are they killing themselves? Why can't they handle "mean" words?

Because they might be tormented on other fronts? Because not everyone reacts the same? Because they've simply had enough?

[Anglican Prussia]

But it is not harassment to state that homosexuality is illegal if homosexuals are publicly announcing their sex life.

It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".

Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.

I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.

[Oterro]

When I was bullied in high school I locked myself in a classroom until all my friends got sick of hanging around with me and left. Then the teachers said I couldn't stay there anymore so I locked myself in the cubicles and no one noticed. Since then I have become detached from social interaction and relationships with pretty much everyone and can make eye contact, never mind have a conversation with someone.

But no, I can truly see why the notion that differing from the perceived acceptable by a bunch of mouth breathing hormonal retards is worthy of verbal and physical punishment, if you are a wankstain of the highest calibre and the worst kind of person.

But hey maybe I'm the problem and really did want to be socially crippled. Survival of the fittest blablabla, sarcasm, blablabla your opinion is utter shit and you're a bad person.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

I am, sadly, horrified to think that you believe that we should tolerate and/or encourage homophobic abuse in schools to try to "correct" homosexuality. I've been openly homosexual for 3 years and, yes, people have treated me as a second class citizen in some instances.

Other, more mature people, have credited me for not only having the strength to come out of the closet, but also to have the strength to talk about homosexuality and homophobia to the other year groups at my school.

The world isn't meant to be based on brutality, it's meant to be based on respect and kindness. I am concerned your personal feeling leach far too strongly into your roleplaying, Anglican Prussia. Homophobia is an awful, criminal thing and I will not associate myself with awful criminals.

[Tsuyoi Tekikoku]

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

The thing is, why are they killing themselves? Why can't they handle "mean" words?

cause,some people have weak self of steam(or how ever you spell it) and cant handle the pain and begin bullied. some people dont have high self of steam as others. and cause of that,it puts them into thinking killing themselves is the only way to escape the suffering

[Samuraikoku]

It is harassment to, you know, harass a child about their sexuality if it isn't public, and to hound them about their sinfullness and "illegality".

Homosexuality isn't illegal, by the way.

I agree, but now, most homosexuals in public high schools fell the need to tell everyone about their sexuality. If they are going to be public about their sex life, they have to have the fact that not everyone is going to agree with them because they "need" everyone's approval.

They're entitled to disapprove, they're not entitled to bully them. Freedom of damn speech.

[Exogenous Imperium]

Telling people convincingly that it is forbidden to commit suicide does lower the teen suicide rate.

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

That only works if people are convinced that the dead cannot be punished.

[Raeyh]

Telling people convincingly that it is forbidden to commit suicide does lower the teen suicide rate.

Are people incapable of the most basic form of reasoning?

If you commit suicide, you're dead. You can't be punished.

Not all suicide attempts result in death.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

The thing is, why are they killing themselves? Why can't they handle "mean" words?

You obviously don't realize that some people cannot easily handle the severe trauma that constant harassment and bullying can cause.

[Avenio]

The thing is, why are they killing themselves?

Depression?

Why can't they handle "mean" words?

I'm sure they can 'handle' 'mean' words in and of themselves, but systemic harassment is something that few people can withstand without developing a mental illness.

[Anglican Prussia]

If someone punches someone in the face, then that is a reason we have to deal with, but for example, there is a class room discussion on gay marriage, and one student says, for example, "According to what I believe and what my religions says, I personally believe homosexuality is a sin and therefore don't believe in gay marriage". A very close friend of mine was suspended for saying that exact words, and the reason given was that it was the anti-bullying policy that school had

I'd say that the school was out-of-bounds on that action. So long as he does not activly harrass homosexual individuals there should be no problem. However, legal 'marriage' has nothing to do with the church and god, and more to do with governmental policy. Seperation of church and state, you know. So bringing up 'sin' is a non-sequitar.

No, it is not. Again, if homosexuals want to public about their sex life, they need to face the fact that not everyone that does not agree with homosexuality is not going to be silent.