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English language killing other languages

Postby Soviet socialist Austor » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:22 pm

English is now classed as an international language but it's getting out of hand now historical languages are dead every few weeks now and soon there will be none at all.
English has shot up in the past 10 years, so i think its's a language killer
P.S I dont mind if you speek in your own language.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:23 pm

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:28 pm

English doesn't kill other languages, it assimilates them.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:28 pm

English is not killing other languages, bad translations from the internet are >_>

Okay, there are several languages dying out, but it is not necessarily English doing it. Just look at Wallonia, where the wallonian dialects/languages are dying out in favour of French.

Though big languages like German, French, Spanish, don't have anything to fear at all. Even "smaller" ones like Dutch don't have anything to fear(except for MAD, but that goes for all of them :p), for at least the next century or so. The ones with less than a million native speakers should probably be preserved while we still can.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:English doesn't kill other languages, it assimilates them.


This^

English gets effected by the other languages and vice-versa. For example, there's English English, Scots, American English and Spanglish.
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Postby Long Island Nation » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:48 pm

Good. We snubbed Esperanto, this is the next best thing. The fact that so many languages are spoken by one species is silly.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:50 pm

I don't think English is killing other languages. Spanish is quite alive. So is French and Italian and Japanese. What is happening is that other languages have adopted words of the English language, but that's, IMO, hardly 'killing'.
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Postby Melas » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:51 pm

I dont believe it is killing them but it is a threat,I mean look at us 5 defferent nationalities speaking in english... but thats not the problem.Problem is that english doesnt just give words,it becomes a part of ones daily life for no reason even when there is a native word for this.
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Postby Meryuma » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:54 pm

You're oversimplifying the situation.

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Postby Vetalia » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:56 pm

English really is the language of the future; its ability to adapt and create creoles is incredible as is its sheer ability to create new words fitting virtually any purpose that emerges. It also has the benefit of being written using the Latin alphabet, which further solidifies its unique position.
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Postby Sulamalik » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:57 pm

I'm being preemptive and bought the Rosetta Stone: Mandarin.
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Postby Alaje » Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:58 pm

English is simply having her time in the Sun, in time another tongue with take the spot.
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Postby Saint-Thor » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:00 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:Though big languages like German, French, Spanish, don't have anything to fear at all. Even "smaller" ones like Dutch don't have anything to fear(except for MAD, but that goes for all of them :p), for at least the next century or so. The ones with less than a million native speakers should probably be preserved while we still can.

Dutch will eventually disappear, and probably sooner than you think because 1) Nobody wants to learn that, and 2) Even you guys don't want to speak it.

I must say that I agree with the OP about English at least in North America. English destroyed much of the languages there, including French, Dutch, Gaelic/Irish languages, most languages coming from late XIXth and XXth centuries immigration. Oh and 90% of the natives languages too (This thing tend to happen when you destroy the native people itself).

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:02 pm

Saint-Thor wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Though big languages like German, French, Spanish, don't have anything to fear at all. Even "smaller" ones like Dutch don't have anything to fear(except for MAD, but that goes for all of them :p), for at least the next century or so. The ones with less than a million native speakers should probably be preserved while we still can.

Dutch will eventually disappear, and probably sooner than you think because 1) Nobody wants to learn that, and 2) Even you guys don't want to speak it.

I must say that I agree with the OP about English at least in North America. English destroyed much of the languages there, including French, Dutch, Gaelic/Irish languages, most languages coming from late XIXth and XXth centuries immigration. Oh and 90% of the natives languages too (This thing tend to happen when you destroy the native people itself).


Objection, smallpox killed the natives, not the english.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:02 pm

Saint-Thor wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Though big languages like German, French, Spanish, don't have anything to fear at all. Even "smaller" ones like Dutch don't have anything to fear(except for MAD, but that goes for all of them :p), for at least the next century or so. The ones with less than a million native speakers should probably be preserved while we still can.

Dutch will eventually disappear, and probably sooner than you think because 1) Nobody wants to learn that, and 2) Even you guys don't want to speak it.


Source for both statements? :palm:
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Postby Aethelstania » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:07 pm

Lots of dead languages are beautiful and can offer us new expressions and words but language is essentially just a means of communication; maybe I'm biased as a native English speaker but the fadeing away of historical or minority languages is sad but nothing more than that. I'm not saying the whole world should speak English but I don't think theirs anything wrong with lots of people sharing a common language

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:13 pm

Aethelstania wrote:Lots of dead languages are beautiful and can offer us new expressions and words but language is essentially just a means of communication; maybe I'm biased as a native English speaker but the fadeing away of historical or minority languages is sad but nothing more than that. I'm not saying the whole world should speak English but I don't think theirs anything wrong with lots of people sharing a common language


There are two sides to consider; we have to preserve our world's culture, but at the same time, keeping different languages can be a symbol of separation on our Little Blue Dot.
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Postby Saint-Thor » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:17 pm

Vetalia wrote:English really is the language of the future; its ability to adapt and create creoles is incredible as is its sheer ability to create new words fitting virtually any purpose that emerges. It also has the benefit of being written using the Latin alphabet, which further solidifies its unique position.

I agree. That's its greatest strenght, the versatility that is. English contains so much of many languages in Europe (Western and Northern mostly) that it is quite convenient to learn for those people. The fact that Britain was invaded and colonized by so many people can explain why you can notice a bit of every languages here and there: Celt, Latin, German, the Scandinavian languages, French, etc.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:39 pm

Soviet socialist Austor wrote: Ich nichts ausmacht wenn Sie urplötzlich in der eigenen Sprache.


Wenn Sie Deutsch schreiben wollen, sollen Sie es lernen. Whatever translator you used here really did not work.
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Postby Delanshar » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:43 pm

English wasn't the first international language, and I doubt it will be the last.
During the Enlightenment, French was the go-to language, and it remained so until the rise of the British Empire and later the USA. English may be dominant now, but I doubt it will stay that way forever. Mandarin may one day replace it, or Hindi... Maybe even Russian Spanish or Arabic. It all depends on where the global center of power rests, and geopolitics is a fluid thing. So don't throw away your Rosetta Stone just yet. I'm taking Russian just in case..

Edit: Which reminds me, OP, for the russian translation u might want to replace 'speek' w "говорите"
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Postby Soviet socialist Austor » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:45 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Soviet socialist Austor wrote: Ich nichts ausmacht wenn Sie urplötzlich in der eigenen Sprache.


Wenn Sie Deutsch schreiben wollen, sollen Sie es lernen. Whatever translator you used here really did not work.

I diddn't use Google i used this one : http://translate.reference.com/ obiovsly don't work.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:47 pm

Delanshar wrote:English wasn't the first international language, and I doubt it will be the last.
During the Enlightenment, French was the go-to language, and it remained so until the rise of the British Empire and later the USA. English may be dominant now, but I doubt it will stay that way forever. Mandarin may one day replace it, or Hindi... Maybe even Russian Spanish or Arabic. It all depends on where the global center of power rests, and geopolitics is a fluid thing. So don't throw away your Rosetta Stone just yet. I'm taking Russian just in case..


The difference now is that we have the internet and the 'age of information' in general. In the past, language was much more prone to stay within borders which often changed.
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Postby Saint-Thor » Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:02 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Saint-Thor wrote:Dutch will eventually disappear, and probably sooner than you think because 1) Nobody wants to learn that, and 2) Even you guys don't want to speak it.

I must say that I agree with the OP about English at least in North America. English destroyed much of the languages there, including French, Dutch, Gaelic/Irish languages, most languages coming from late XIXth and XXth centuries immigration. Oh and 90% of the natives languages too (This thing tend to happen when you destroy the native people itself).


Objection, smallpox killed the natives, not the english.

As you can see, I didn't specify the cause of their destruction. But now that you mention it, most disease (to not say all of them) that killed the natives en masse were brought by the Europeans, thus indirectly killing them, UNLESS you prefer to include the small pox infected blankets given to the natives. But we shouldn't ignore or try to diminish the impact of wars waged on them as well.

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Saint-Thor wrote:Dutch will eventually disappear, and probably sooner than you think because 1) Nobody wants to learn that, and 2) Even you guys don't want to speak it.


Source for both statements? :palm:

Google, one of the most formidable creation of the Internet will surely help you in your quest. Try to find one source, just one where Dutch is not ranked far behind most of the European languages (and even some Asian languages, yes, like Japanese and Mandarin). No one is learning that language, friend, and I'm not saying it in an offensive way. I friend of mine lived there for 2 years for her job, never spoke a single word of Dutch except the greetings. When I asked her why, she told me she didn't have to, pretty much anybody will talk to you in English in most places, not just in hotels, fancy restaurants or tourist spots. Something you couldn't do in, say, Russia, Italy, or France, or pretty much anywhere else in Europe. I may be completely wrong, but my impression is that the Dutch people are embracing English probably more than their own language. Since there are many Dutch on this forum, perhaps some of them could explain or confirm if what I'm saying is not total BS.
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Postby Vetalia » Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:05 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:The difference now is that we have the internet and the 'age of information' in general. In the past, language was much more prone to stay within borders which often changed.


Very true. For example, had the English colonized the Americas in, say, the 13th century instead of the 17th we'd be speaking a completely different language from that in the UK...it was the emergence of fast sea travel, global trade and later effectively instantaneous communication between continents that kept our dialects from diverging substantially.
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