NationStates

Des-Bal wrote:Nobody kills themselves because somebody was rude to them on their blogs, she was fucked in the head and this was the logical conclusion of that.

Tahar Joblis wrote:As I already noted when someone posted it in the old thread, not only is there a lack of evidence for her suicide, but the Femitheist Divine persona remained active online - engaging with and trolling various MRAs - after the supposed suicide.

After a little while of that, she then quit.

This is clear if you read down to the comments in the link in the OP, and follow through the links offered.

For completeness, I'm just going to re-quote myself:

Tahar Joblis wrote:Read down to the comments. Evidently, she didn't kill herself, started posting around, got her real identity tracked down by people investigating the alleged suicide, and then quit again.

Now, that does put paid some questions and leave open others. For one thing, I can dig up all the comments from people here on NSG who seemed so sure that Femitheist was a man (and a middle aged man, at that), based on what I pointed out was pretty flimsy evidence, and claim vindication. The Poe's Law question is, I think, never really going to be really shut unless we see a lot more follow-up, which I am frankly not very interested in; the sort of shit that she was claiming in her persona as Femitheist was indeed the sort of shit that people will often insincerely disclaim if it gets tied to their RL identity.

Tahar Joblis wrote:Confirmed 20 year old female. Confirmed dishonest attention-seeking person. Confirmed troll depends on your definition of "troll" and possibly some unknowns. Did she want attention? Yes. Does she sincerely hold seriously misandrist views? Not clear. Is she part of the Men's Rights Movement, to the degree that it can be described as a movement? Definitely not.

Which means:


That Natapoc was seriously wrong on three counts.

1.) Not old. Femitheist was telling the truth about her age.
2.) Not a man. Femitheist was telling the truth about her gender.
3.) Not a MRA. She may have been presenting exaggerated views rather than her own actual views [jury's still out on that AFAIK], but all things considered, she spent most of her effort actively trying to troll the men's rights community rather than interacting with feminists, and cannot be considered a MRA by any reasonable means. Even her fake suicide seemed part of an effort targeted to troll MRAs.

Which, of course, means that I was right, and Natapoc was wrong. With good reason - Natapoc was ignoring a lot of good evidence and clinging to some very slender straws to try to salvage the notion that Femitheist was a false flag operation run by some secretive MRA as part of a conspiracy to make feminists look bad.

EDIT: For MOAR completeness, three comments from near the bottom of the the AVFM page. You might find these convincing:

Scented Nectar
This morning in my newsfeed reader was the following blogpost by Femitheist. The blog is now shut down, but she deleted it AFTER my Reader had downloaded the article, so it’s still in there (as an already read item). Here it is:
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YOU WIN.
by Femitheist Divine

Look. I saw that anonymous comment about the Femitheist on that PUBLIC FORUM FROM MY CITY. I just came back here, so please stop.

I quit. You win. I’ve deleted everything and in about an hour I’ll be deleting the entire Blog. I’ve deleted all of my files. I will never return.

You are victorious. You found me. I’m scared. You win.

Okay?

I’m not a God, I’m not anything. It was all a joke at your expense. I didn’t mean anything I’ve ever posted here. I’m just one huge satirist troll. All right? I’m serious. None of this was real. I’m just a joker. So, please do not push any more.

You found me, okay? Please stop. Game over. You win. I lose. I’m stupid. You win.

All right?

The entire Femitheist thing was just a persona to troll, nothing more. It was all fake.

Thank you.

Once again, you win, I lose. Game over for me.
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Scented Nectar in reply to PHX MRA
I just got lucky with the timing of when I went to Google Reader. Once it’s been loaded into the page, and seen/read, there, it retains a copy even when the post gets deleted.

I’m looking now, in another tab, and my Reader page has (maybe) all of her articles stored, from “The Lie of the Patriarchy – The Final Eutopia” (posted April 19) to “YOU WIN” (posted this morning).

It really is hard to remove off of the internet, all traces of what one has previously made public.

Beaker in reply to Scented Nectar
I wrote the comment she is referring to:

Hello Femitheist, you gotta lay off the sauce. Its affecting your blogging!

You can see it here:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/paragou ... QF2CAP2/p2

I love how offended and scared she is. Because her talk of mass murder and hatred was just a joke but we’ve done something really bad – make her take responsibility for her words.

I actually believe strongly in anonymity online, but like all rights there boundaries and Femitheist was way over the line.

I think the preponderance of the evidence lies clearly on the side of "hoax."

Forsher wrote:

Not Safe For Work wrote:
You're missing the point. Femitheist's rant about male castration, for example - talked about a world 'holiday' when people would be castrated. They might be 'made to' be castrated, for example - but there is no 'state' that has this kind of world power.

IF Femitheist was even a real person, and IF the rants were even genuine - it's no more appropriate really to talk of 'her' ideas as 'totalitarianism' than it is to describe MFI's belief that all people with extremist views 'should' kill themselves as 'totalitarian'.

What is allegedly wrong in Femitheist, is duplicated in MFI. According to MFI, the solution is suicide - a solution he (or she) does not extend to themselves. For which we can be glad, I think - I'm certainly not arguing in favor of suicide.

For it to happen, one can argue that complete subservience to the state is necessary, whether or not such a state exists doesn't actually matter. His view, on the other hand, had no room for the state, it isn't suicide if it is forced. Not that that matters, neither of you took defensible positions.

That's the thing, though, if his view isn't totalitarian than he needn't commit suicide.

Outset Islands wrote:One less feminist is a good thing.

Good riddance.

Not Safe For Work wrote:

Forsher wrote:
For it to happen, one can argue that complete subservience to the state is necessary, whether or not such a state exists doesn't actually matter. His view, on the other hand, had no room for the state, it isn't suicide if it is forced. Not that that matters, neither of you took defensible positions.

That's the thing, though, if his view isn't totalitarian than he needn't commit suicide.

I wasn't saying he should commit suicide.

I was pointing out that his sin was the same as the sin he was decrying, and that he wasn't consistent - because he excuses his own sin and holds it to a different standard. So, while he says 'she' SHOULD die for her sin, and - in fact ANYONE with a similar sin 'should' die - he (or she... I admit I've been mainly assuming 'he') doesn't feel 'he' should suffer the same fate.

But this is turning into a hijack of the sort I like least - the sort where we debate the poster. My interaction with MFI was about consistency in his argument. 'Keeping him honest', as the phrase goes. There's no point in me going further into this with you.

CTALNH wrote:

Outset Islands wrote:One less feminist is a good thing.

Good riddance.

You are trolling get out.

Forsher wrote:

Not Safe For Work wrote:


I wasn't saying he should commit suicide.

I was pointing out that his sin was the same as the sin he was decrying, and that he wasn't consistent - because he excuses his own sin and holds it to a different standard. So, while he says 'she' SHOULD die for her sin, and - in fact ANYONE with a similar sin 'should' die - he (or she... I admit I've been mainly assuming 'he') doesn't feel 'he' should suffer the same fate.

But this is turning into a hijack of the sort I like least - the sort where we debate the poster. My interaction with MFI was about consistency in his argument. 'Keeping him honest', as the phrase goes. There's no point in me going further into this with you.

And I wasn't saying that you were. Which, clearly, was obvious to me. You have to remember what exactly he was saying, which was that suicide is the best option with for people of ridiculously totalalitarian views.

You pointed it out very badly, in fact your method for doing so was quite misleading. Why whether or not he holds himself to the same standard should matter I do not know. After all it invariably creates a discussion less about the post, if you catch my drift... oh, that would be why.

Warhosta Lives wrote:

Condunum wrote:She doesn't represent the feminist movement, at all.

Oh yes. She does/did.

Faolinn wrote:*puts on brass knuckles and punches you in the virtual face*My mother is a feminist you ass.She has never, ever, told me, my brother, or my father who she married that we deserved the shit this woman advocated. Nor do any of the women I know who ally themselves with the movement. Anyone who says this kind of crap is no feminist.

Vandover wrote:The Femitheistdivine,a radical feminist,has commited suicide.It was apparently because of hate she got from comments on her blogs,which include All Men Must Be Castrated,A Man is a Rape Supporter If (which applies to every man),and many more sexist blogs.

... wrote the word "bitch" on her daughter's forehead so it would make her stonger than other women?

Raeyh wrote:She's just a radical feminist.

Risottia wrote:

Vandover wrote:The Femitheistdivine,a radical feminist,has commited suicide.It was apparently because of hate she got from comments on her blogs,which include All Men Must Be Castrated,A Man is a Rape Supporter If (which applies to every man),and many more sexist blogs.

Call me cold-hearted, but it's not like I'll shed many tears over a the death of a sexist troll.

... wrote the word "bitch" on her daughter's forehead so it would make her stonger than other women?

...Da fuck?

Ffs, all that woman needed was a good psychiatrist.

Risottia wrote:

Raeyh wrote:She's just a radical feminist.

...one of the MOST radical feminist trolls, to be more accurate.

Takaram wrote:

Risottia wrote:...one of the MOST radical feminist trolls, to be more accurate.

Seriously, does this even qualify as femanism, radical or otherwise? It's honestly just misandry, plain and simple.

Risottia wrote:

Takaram wrote:
Seriously, does this even qualify as femanism, radical or otherwise? It's honestly just misandry, plain and simple.

One could define misandry as a part of extreme feminism.

Takaram wrote:

Risottia wrote:
One could define misandry as a part of extreme feminism.

But honestly, this has nothing to do with the advancement of women. No one is bettered when other groups are being oppressed. If women do what she advocated, they would be no better to worse than men have been to women.

Kushtor wrote:This is another baby step toward true gender equality.

Raeyh wrote:

Takaram wrote:
But honestly, this has nothing to do with the advancement of women. No one is bettered when other groups are being oppressed. If women do what she advocated, they would be no better to worse than men have been to women.

Since there are only men and women in the world, you could either make them equal by raising up women or by bashing men down.

Hydesland wrote:Why are so many people being so rude to her? I don't care if she had insane views, it is never okay to say that she deserved death.

greed and death wrote:

Hydesland wrote:Why are so many people being so rude to her? I don't care if she had insane views, it is never okay to say that she deserved death.

unless you disagree with me, then you and your family deserve death.