Utopian governments.

[Sokaraslar]

Assuming a utopia is possible, I was wondering what people thought a utopian government would be like. First off I'd like anyone who responds to share what they think a utopian society is. Then I would love to hear what the government set up would be and why. Thanks. I might share my ideas if people actually post.

Edit: I pose a new question why do you guys believe your description of utopia is in fact a utopia?

[Zeppy]

Anarcho-fascist society.

[Silent Majority]

A society based on worshipping cats.

[Carathon]

Something undreamt in the minds of men.

[Sokaraslar]

Anarcho-fascist society.

Thanks for the quick response. Why do you feel that this would be ideal?

[Sokaraslar]

Something undreamt in the minds of men.

That's probably true, but the only way to dream of it is to try.

[Mexican Liberation]

Assuming a utopia is possible, I was wondering what people thought a utopian government would be like. First off I'd like anyone who responds to share what they think a utopian society is. Then I would love to hear what the government set up would be and why. Thanks. I might share my ideas if people actually post.

A left wing Democratic Republic is most likely the closest we'll ever get at this time

[Socialdemokraterne]

That's what my nation is, a nation I would consider utopia. That's the Republic of Socialdemokraterne. I'm currently writing up information about its parties and its structure, but as these are incomplete they have not been added to my factbook yet.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

A land with no discrimination, no classes, no political, economic, or domestic dissent, everyone having jobs even if the government pays for them, and everyone being equal is my idea of a utopia. A utopian government would likely be the same but they have generally been Communist and chances are they would do everything I discribed exept for the discrimination and equallity, the religious would almost certainly be killed and discriminated against.

[The ivain isles]

One world government, mainly based to provide for the basic needs of the people, a democratic legislature, along with a meritocratic, aristocratic Executive, in a confederal republic setting, balancing the needs of states and nations, along with the needs of individual people. That's the summery anyway.

[Unita Teccon Olympia Enclave]

Exists on paper but when attempted they become jerks who stomp on people.

[Alaje]

Well a utopia based on my thoughts........

Government format would be a semi-presidental federal republic, bicameral legislature, no political parties.

The Economy would be a Socialist system based on class collaboration and it would retain a limited market in which both worker's collectives and private organizations are allowed.

[Ulvena]

1. No currency. If there's currency, there's generally going to be some sort of government to enforce that set currency, either with tangible objects or with a fiat system. If there's government, there's going to be stronger and weaker people. Even if we were to assume we don't need a government to enforce currency, we still can't deny that those who possess more of that currency will generally become stronger, not making it work.

2. Removal of parts of human nature. Humans, along with most animals, generally tend to be greedy, which is why capitalism works. Humans will always seek power or pleasure of some kind, resulting in a non-utopian society as some of the people who can't control their nature as well may kill, steal, lie, cheat, and rape to get their lust for whatever it is they seek.

3. The ability to equalize professions. For example: A doctor is far more valuable to human society than a prostitute if we're talking about just pragmatics. But beyond that, society tends to favor certain things just because. Like actors, singers, and Snooki. They don't create things that are required for human survival yet many of us, myself included, enjoy what they DO produce. Except Snooki.

4. Removal of government. If you want a utopian society, you can't have government. Governments provide a class gap as those who are members of the government have more power than the normal people in the society. But on the other hand, you REQUIRE government to maintain a stable, functioning society.

[Sokaraslar]

That's what my nation is, a nation I would consider utopia. That's the Republic of Socialdemokraterne. I'm currently writing up information about its parties and its structure, but as these are incomplete they have not been added to my factbook yet.

I'd love to see the completed fact books, whenever they're finished. Contact me when they're done if you'd be so kind

[The ivain isles]

Exists on paper but when attempted they become jerks who stomp on people.

Mah, everyone knows Utopias are impossible, hence the word, utopia. One really has to love Christian saints, they love screwing with your mind, Be they martyrs who kill themselves to prove a point, or Moore, who writes a book about a perfect state, then tells you it's impossible.

[Kirav]

Something akin to the rôle of the State in Distributism.

[The USOT]

Tbh I beleive a utopia would only be possible if the vast majority of the human race is augmented with technology.

[Xanixi]

What I think a utopia is: Practically what Heaven wants to be. Everyone is equal in intelligence, in income, no one lives badly, and everyone is über nice.

What government I think could accomplish it? Technically, I think communism is supposed to be the spear to a utopian society. Which is why communism would never work.

I'm not going to get into some big argument about governments and whatnot, but a utopian society is impossible. It requires humanity to be something it's most definitely not: equal. Humans have more greed than any other animal on the face of this planet, and that's saying something.

'Animals are more civilised than humans. They don't have sapience. Without it, they don't commit horrors.'

That's another thing. Insanity would be unattainable. Which is also impossible.

Ah, the clarity of human imperfection.

[Atalem]

I feel that the most utopian system of government would be one in which the government exists- for times of crisis and general keeping of order, as well as resource management- but where it is not needed for everyday life to be maintained. In other words, don't abolish it, but it can't control everything.

It should also guarantee basic human rights as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as well as doing what it can to steward the Earth without allowing the Earth to destroy us. I mean, really, nature? Really? You're just gonna try to burn us all with a supervolcano and then expect us to roll over and die? No, thank you.

It should be both able to govern the whole world fairly and able to allow a level off self-governance that everyone could be relatively content with.

Finally, it should seek not to fight monsters, but to reach out to the people within those monsters and help them understand what they're doing wrong. After all, when you gaze into the abyss, it gazes also into you.

...I don't even know what that would be like.

EDIT: Yes, I know it's impossible due to inherent human evils. But if we didn't have evil in us, our lives would mean nothing.

[Mandicoria]

In a Utopia, there is no need for a Goverment. So thats pretty much leading to a (Temporary) Peaceful Anarchy State, then One or Two Generations later the entire thing turns into the exact opposite, people organize and a Goverment is formed. Thus showing that the Utopia has failed, and Humans need Leadership, Unity, and Organization.

So yeah, there will be no Goverment AT ALL In a Utopia.

[Vareiln]

Perhaps the closest thing exists in Scandinavia.

[Sokaraslar]

4. Removal of government. If you want a utopian society, you can't have government. Governments provide a class gap as those who are members of the government have more power than the normal people in the society. But on the other hand, you REQUIRE government to maintain a stable, functioning society.

I like where you're going with this. And I agree with you. But this brings us to the dilemma of a possible utopia. Government really doesn't fit but it can't possibly be a utopia without one. So what about a self monitored society. One where there is no government but a reigning moral code.

[Ulvena]

4. Removal of government. If you want a utopian society, you can't have government. Governments provide a class gap as those who are members of the government have more power than the normal people in the society. But on the other hand, you REQUIRE government to maintain a stable, functioning society.

I like where you're going with this. And I agree with you. But this brings us to the dilemma of a possible utopia. Government really doesn't fit but it can't possibly be a utopia without one. So what about a self monitored society. One where there is no government but a reigning moral code.

But who will enforce the moral code in the case someone breaks it? Of course, my #2 criteria was to completely change a large part of human nature so it may perhaps work.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Perhaps the closest thing exists in Scandinavia.

Scandinavia sounds closer to Hell than Utopia if you ask me...Honestly Venezuela seems like more of a Utopia than Scandinavia ever could.

[Socialdemokraterne]

That's what my nation is, a nation I would consider utopia. That's the Republic of Socialdemokraterne. I'm currently writing up information about its parties and its structure, but as these are incomplete they have not been added to my factbook yet.

I'd love to see the completed fact books, whenever they're finished. Contact me when they're done if you'd be so kind

Consider yourself added to the dossier. I'll make a note of it.