Could Noah's Ark Have Happened Realistically? Well, Yes.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How would you explain kangaroos?

Did Noah go on a road trip to randomly dump animals on different continents?

I highly doubt marsupials can be explained using the Flood story. Then again, maybe, if the story were remotely true, some freaky shit happened in that ark.

[Erinkita]

...I believe in unicorns...

Fine, just don't try and present stories as proof for their actual existence.

And don't act like everyone who doesn't believe these stories is too stupid to understand them.

[Avalar]

...I believe in unicorns...

Fine, just don't try and present stories as proof for their actual existence.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Fine, just don't try and present stories as proof for their actual existence.

Er, that is not proof of anything but that there's a type of goat that possesses one horn.

[Avalar]

How would you explain kangaroos?

Did Noah go on a road trip to randomly dump animals on different continents?

I highly doubt marsupials can be explained using the Flood story. Then again, maybe, if the story were remotely true, some freaky shit happened in that ark.

Here is the most likely explanation

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I highly doubt marsupials can be explained using the Flood story. Then again, maybe, if the story were remotely true, some freaky shit happened in that ark.

Here is the most likely explanation

Yes, Avalar, Pokemon is likely the answer...

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Fine, just don't try and present stories as proof for their actual existence.

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

But, can't you see that one horned goat only wants your love? Look into its eyes. It wants your affection. Won't you give it to it?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

But, can't you see that one horned goat only wants your love? Look into its eyes. It wants your affection. Won't you give it to it?

True, but it's an abomination and a crime against nature, even if it is a littwe cuddwy ickle billy goat...No. I can't do it. It's too adorable.

[Erinkita]

KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

It's just a goat. A cute little goat that somebody's abused by making its horns grow malformed.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

But, can't you see that one horned goat only wants your love? Look into its eyes. It wants your affection. Won't you give it to it?

True, but it's an abomination and a crime against nature, even if it is a littwe cuddwy ickle billy goat...No. I can't do it. It's too adorable.

Spread your goat love. *nod*

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

True, but it's an abomination and a crime against nature, even if it is a littwe cuddwy ickle billy goat...No. I can't do it. It's too adorable.

Spread your goat love. *nod*

That's illegal, last time I checked.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Don't most humans want to force their beliefs down the throats of others? Especially on NSG.

I find, that in the case of religion, most don't care unless you try to start a debate proving your deities exist.

Pretty much my experience.

I've gotten into a lot of religious debates I admit, but the vast majority of them are ones I haven't started. Someone has either been evangelizing (the forcing beliefs down the throats of others), wanting to debate my Atheism/their faith, or a thread like this one or the million similar ones on the internet.

I can't tell if you picked up on my sarcasm or not.

In the event you didn't, please remember not to spam pictures, especially ones that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. Namely, the prospect of the Noah's Arch flood myth being actually possible.

I believe it. And people are yelling at the poor guy for expressing his beliefs

Yelling? People are questioning, strongly in some cases, his assertion the story of Noah's ark could have realistically happened based on the "facts" he presented in the opening post.

He then often goes off and displays, well, ignorance on a lot of things through the thread while remaining condescending in his assertion faith and ignorance is better than... well, anything. And failing to deal with the rebuttals to his facts.

I think he may have brought it on himself.

I believe it. And people are yelling at the poor guy for expressing his beliefs

People were debating against him for arguing about his faith in such a transparently poor way it was embarrassing and enraging for all of us.
Embarrassaging.
Don't know if that works.

It works.

How would you explain kangaroos? They live only in Australia.

Did Noah go on a road trip to randomly dump animals on different continents?

No, the proposition made was that there is no proof* the continents couldn't have still been all linked up in Noah's time which means there would have been no real barriers to stop them walking to and from the ark - though some of them still would have had to travel for many, many months if that was the case, sucks to be a short lived animal and/or one completely out of its natural habitat I guess(like a penguin or a butterfly found only in New Zealand).

And don't ask me what the carnivores ate once they got off the ark either. If there was only two of every kind of herbivore still in existence the carnivores would have had to exercise some unnatural sort of self control and (potentially impossible) rationing for years afterwards.

*No proof of course except all the proof that the OP ignored.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Spread your goat love. *nod*

That's illegal, last time I checked.

Not 'that' kind of love, mister.

This is a poor creature, genetically engineered to have that one horn, for Abe Lincoln vampire hunter knows what reason. It's not an abomination. It just needs a loving home.

[Transhuman Proteus]

But, can't you see that one horned goat only wants your love? Look into its eyes. It wants your affection. Won't you give it to it?

True, but it's an abomination and a crime against nature, even if it is a littwe cuddwy ickle billy goat...No. I can't do it. It's too adorable.

I thought the abomination you were talking about was wearing socks with sandals. I didn't even notice the goat for a moment.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

That's illegal, last time I checked.

Not 'that' kind of love, mister.

This is a poor creature, genetically engineered to have that one horn, for Abe Lincoln vampire hunter knows what reason. It's not an abomination. It just needs a loving home.

And it shall have one. In a donkey sanctuary, because I reckon there's more of them than there are goat sanctuaries.

Don't you just love the whimsical journey that one goat has put us on?

I thought the abomination you were talking about was wearing socks with sandals. I didn't even notice the goat for a moment.

Oh God. That's just too far.

*vomits*

[Big Jim P]

Spread your goat love. *nod*

That's illegal, last time I checked.

Only if you get caught.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not 'that' kind of love, mister.

This is a poor creature, genetically engineered to have that one horn, for Abe Lincoln vampire hunter knows what reason. It's not an abomination. It just needs a loving home.

And it shall have one. In a donkey sanctuary, because I reckon there's more of them than there are goat sanctuaries.

Don't you just love the whimsical journey that one goat has put us on?

The journey of a goat's lifetime starts with a single whimsical joke and an internet photo.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

That's illegal, last time I checked.

Only if you get caught.

That's the state motto of Nebraska, right there.

And it shall have one. In a donkey sanctuary, because I reckon there's more of them than there are goat sanctuaries.

Don't you just love the whimsical journey that one goat has put us on?

The journey of a goat's lifetime starts with a single whimsical joke and an internet photo.

Indeed.

*ponders*

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The journey of a goat's lifetime starts with a single whimsical joke and an internet photo.

Indeed.

*ponders*

At least we have tangible proof of the existence of a one horned goat. We can't say the same thing about Noah's Ark story. *nod*

[Republic of Omar]

Ever stop to think that God isen't limited by lame brained creationalistic ideas?
Fundamentalists proclaim to believe in an all powerful all knowing god and then short sell him as some sort of old white american on a throne retard.

[Greater Mackonia]

And the fairy king will now descend from mushroom land.

[Organica (Ancient)]

[box][LogiChristianity: I am a logical Christian. The Bible is true because lots of people like it! Noah's ark was genuinely a big boat with two of every animal on it, and it was built of wood and it really happened! The only way to tell right from wrong is by coming to Jesus!

/box]

If the bible is true because a lot of people like it, I guess Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are true, too?! How about Twilight?

[United Marxist Nations]

Okay, so I know most of you aren't open to this kind of stuff, but you should be, because it really matters. I bet a lot of you think that the Bible is just full of silly stories that couldn't actually happen. But would it amaze you to discover that Noah's ark could have actually happened?

Now, you probably think that the idea of a giant flood covering the whole Earth is crazy, right? But can you prove it didn't happen? I didn't think so.

But think about it - continental drift is true. So maybe God actually split the continents very quickly to create the great flood. Maybe that's when it happened - when Pangaea split.

Is there any solid proof that continental drift took a long time? Nope. Just theories. and just because it is slow now, doesn't mean it was slow then.


Now, as for the logistics of Noah's ark itself, there are good facts to support that it is logical.

This article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... fnList_1_2

This article explains all the reasons why it is perfectly reasonable AND it has good sources; just check the footnotes!

Here are some revolutionary examples of what this article shows.

How could Noah build the ark?

The Bible does not tell us that Noah and his sons built the Ark by themselves. Noah could have hired skilled laborers or had relatives, such as Methuselah and Lamech, help build the vessel. However, nothing indicates that they could not—or that they did not—build the Ark themselves in the time allotted. The physical strength and mental processes of men in Noah’s day was at least as great (quite likely, even superior) to our own.2 They certainly would have had efficient means for harvesting and cutting timber, as well as for shaping, transporting, and erecting the massive beams and boards required.
If one or two men today can erect a large house in just 12 weeks, how much more could three or four men do in a few years? Adam’s descendants were making complex musical instruments, forging metal, and building cities—their tools, machines, and techniques were not primitive.

How could the animals fit?

In the book Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study4, creationist researcher John Woodmorappe suggests that, at most, 16,000 animals were all that were needed to preserve the created kinds that God brought into the Ark.
The Ark did not need to carry every kind of animal—nor did God command it. It carried only air-breathing, land-dwelling animals, creeping things, and winged animals such as birds. Aquatic life (fish, whales, etc.) and many amphibious creatures could have survived in sufficient numbers outside the Ark. This cuts down significantly the total number of animals that needed to be on board.
Another factor which greatly reduces the space requirements is the fact that the tremendous variety in species we see today did not exist in the days of Noah. Only the parent “kinds” of these species were required to be on board in order to repopulate the earth.5 For example, only two dogs were needed to give rise to all the dog species that exist today.
Creationist estimates for the maximum number of animals that would have been necessary to come on board the Ark have ranged from a few thousand to 35,000, but they may be as few as two thousand if the biblical kind is approximately the same as the modern family classification.
As stated before, Noah wouldn’t have taken the largest animals onto the Ark; it is more likely he took juveniles aboard the Ark to repopulate the earth after the Flood was over. These younger animals also require less space, less food, and have less waste.
Using a short cubit of 18 inches (46 cm) for the Ark to be conservative, Woodmorappe’s conclusion is that “less than half of the cumulative area of the Ark’s three decks need to have been occupied by the animals and their enclosures.”6 This meant there was plenty of room for fresh food, water, and even many other people.

How could Noah care for all the animals?

Just as God brought the animals to Noah by some form of supernatural means, He surely also prepared them for this amazing event. Creation scientists suggest that God gave the animals the ability to hibernate, as we see in many species today. Most animals react to natural disasters in ways that were designed to help them survive. It’s very possible many animals did hibernate, perhaps even supernaturally intensified by God.
Whether it was supernatural or simply a normal response to the darkness and confinement of a rocking ship, the fact that God told Noah to build rooms (“qen”—literally in Hebrew “nests”) in Genesis 6:14 implies that the animals were subdued or nesting. God also told Noah to take food for them (Genesis 6:21), which tells us that they were not in a year-long coma either.
Were we able to walk through the Ark as it was being built, we would undoubtedly be amazed at the ingenious systems on board for water and food storage and distribution. As Woodmorappe explains in Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, a small group of farmers today can raise thousands of cattle and other animals in a very small space. One can easily imagine all kinds of devices on the Ark that would have enabled a small number of people to feed and care for the animals, from watering to waste removal.
As Woodmorappe points out, no special devices were needed for eight people to care for 16,000 animals. But if they existed, how would these devices be powered? There are all sorts of possibilities. How about a plumbing system for gravity-fed drinking water, a ventilation system driven by wind or wave motion, or hoppers that dispense grain as the animals eat it? None of these require higher technology than what we know existed in ancient cultures. And yet these cultures were likely well-short of the skill and capability of Noah and the pre-Flood world.

And finally, the great idea of the flood being related to continental drift.

As even secular geologists observe, it does appear that the continents were at one time “together” and not separated by the vast oceans of today. The forces involved in the Flood were certainly sufficient to change all of this.
Scripture indicates that God formed the ocean basins, raising the land out of the water, so that the floodwaters returned to a safe place. (Some theologians believe Psalm 104 may refer to this event.) Some creation scientists believe this breakup of the continent was part of the mechanism that ultimately caused the Flood.11

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Surely NationStates General is surprised by these facts.

It's actually not possible for a flood to cover the Earth, not enough water.

[Transhuman Proteus]

[box][LogiChristianity: I am a logical Christian. The Bible is true because lots of people like it! Noah's ark was genuinely a big boat with two of every animal on it, and it was built of wood and it really happened! The only way to tell right from wrong is by coming to Jesus!

/box]

If the bible is true because a lot of people like it, I guess Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are true, too?! How about Twilight?

I sparkle when I got outside sometimes, but that might be due to my glitter addiction.