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Could Noah's Ark Have Happened Realistically? Well, Yes.

Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:42 pm

Okay, so I know most of you aren't open to this kind of stuff, but you should be, because it really matters. I bet a lot of you think that the Bible is just full of silly stories that couldn't actually happen. But would it amaze you to discover that Noah's ark could have actually happened?

Now, you probably think that the idea of a giant flood covering the whole Earth is crazy, right? But can you prove it didn't happen? I didn't think so.

But think about it - continental drift is true. So maybe God actually split the continents very quickly to create the great flood. Maybe that's when it happened - when Pangaea split.

Is there any solid proof that continental drift took a long time? Nope. Just theories. and just because it is slow now, doesn't mean it was slow then.


Now, as for the logistics of Noah's ark itself, there are good facts to support that it is logical.

This article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... fnList_1_2

This article explains all the reasons why it is perfectly reasonable AND it has good sources; just check the footnotes!

Here are some revolutionary examples of what this article shows.

How could Noah build the ark?
The Bible does not tell us that Noah and his sons built the Ark by themselves. Noah could have hired skilled laborers or had relatives, such as Methuselah and Lamech, help build the vessel. However, nothing indicates that they could not—or that they did not—build the Ark themselves in the time allotted. The physical strength and mental processes of men in Noah’s day was at least as great (quite likely, even superior) to our own.2 They certainly would have had efficient means for harvesting and cutting timber, as well as for shaping, transporting, and erecting the massive beams and boards required.
If one or two men today can erect a large house in just 12 weeks, how much more could three or four men do in a few years? Adam’s descendants were making complex musical instruments, forging metal, and building cities—their tools, machines, and techniques were not primitive.


How could the animals fit?
In the book Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study4, creationist researcher John Woodmorappe suggests that, at most, 16,000 animals were all that were needed to preserve the created kinds that God brought into the Ark.
The Ark did not need to carry every kind of animal—nor did God command it. It carried only air-breathing, land-dwelling animals, creeping things, and winged animals such as birds. Aquatic life (fish, whales, etc.) and many amphibious creatures could have survived in sufficient numbers outside the Ark. This cuts down significantly the total number of animals that needed to be on board.
Another factor which greatly reduces the space requirements is the fact that the tremendous variety in species we see today did not exist in the days of Noah. Only the parent “kinds” of these species were required to be on board in order to repopulate the earth.5 For example, only two dogs were needed to give rise to all the dog species that exist today.
Creationist estimates for the maximum number of animals that would have been necessary to come on board the Ark have ranged from a few thousand to 35,000, but they may be as few as two thousand if the biblical kind is approximately the same as the modern family classification.
As stated before, Noah wouldn’t have taken the largest animals onto the Ark; it is more likely he took juveniles aboard the Ark to repopulate the earth after the Flood was over. These younger animals also require less space, less food, and have less waste.
Using a short cubit of 18 inches (46 cm) for the Ark to be conservative, Woodmorappe’s conclusion is that “less than half of the cumulative area of the Ark’s three decks need to have been occupied by the animals and their enclosures.”6 This meant there was plenty of room for fresh food, water, and even many other people.


How could Noah care for all the animals?
Just as God brought the animals to Noah by some form of supernatural means, He surely also prepared them for this amazing event. Creation scientists suggest that God gave the animals the ability to hibernate, as we see in many species today. Most animals react to natural disasters in ways that were designed to help them survive. It’s very possible many animals did hibernate, perhaps even supernaturally intensified by God.
Whether it was supernatural or simply a normal response to the darkness and confinement of a rocking ship, the fact that God told Noah to build rooms (“qen”—literally in Hebrew “nests”) in Genesis 6:14 implies that the animals were subdued or nesting. God also told Noah to take food for them (Genesis 6:21), which tells us that they were not in a year-long coma either.
Were we able to walk through the Ark as it was being built, we would undoubtedly be amazed at the ingenious systems on board for water and food storage and distribution. As Woodmorappe explains in Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, a small group of farmers today can raise thousands of cattle and other animals in a very small space. One can easily imagine all kinds of devices on the Ark that would have enabled a small number of people to feed and care for the animals, from watering to waste removal.
As Woodmorappe points out, no special devices were needed for eight people to care for 16,000 animals. But if they existed, how would these devices be powered? There are all sorts of possibilities. How about a plumbing system for gravity-fed drinking water, a ventilation system driven by wind or wave motion, or hoppers that dispense grain as the animals eat it? None of these require higher technology than what we know existed in ancient cultures. And yet these cultures were likely well-short of the skill and capability of Noah and the pre-Flood world.


And finally, the great idea of the flood being related to continental drift.
As even secular geologists observe, it does appear that the continents were at one time “together” and not separated by the vast oceans of today. The forces involved in the Flood were certainly sufficient to change all of this.
Scripture indicates that God formed the ocean basins, raising the land out of the water, so that the floodwaters returned to a safe place. (Some theologians believe Psalm 104 may refer to this event.) Some creation scientists believe this breakup of the continent was part of the mechanism that ultimately caused the Flood.11
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:44 pm

No, it couldn't have.
Give this a read.
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Postby Revolutopia » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:44 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:creationist researcher


Your argument completely falls apart there.
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LogiChristianity wrote:Surely NationStates General is surprised reduced to helpless laughter by these facts straw-graspings.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:47 pm

I thought you would link to actual researchers. Instead, I get answersingenesis.org.
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:50 pm

I clicked the link and the first thing I saw was this
Here’s one example: more than 200 different breeds of dogs exist today, from the miniature poodle to the St. Bernard—all of which have descended from one original dog “kind” (as have the wolf, dingo, etc.). Many other types of animals— cat kind, horse kind, cow kind, etc.—have similarly been naturally and selectively bred to achieve the wonderful variation in species that we have today. God “programmed” this variety into the genetic code of all animal kinds—even humankind! God also made it impossible for the basic “kinds” of animals to breed and reproduce with each other. For example, cats and dogs cannot breed to make a new type of creature. This is by God’s design, and it is one fact that makes evolution impossible. Back


Evolution is apparently proof that evolution is impossible.

Also, the usual 'kinds' crap to explain why two of every animal (except dinosaurs, including freshwater fish) does not mean two of EVERY animal

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:50 pm

According to the Bible, how big was the Ark?

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Postby Volnotova » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:50 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:creationist researcher


Your argument completely falls apart there.


Hear, hear! I was not the only one that stopped reading there.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:51 pm

Mavorpen wrote:I thought you would link to actual researchers. Instead, I get answersingenesis.org.


The researchers are in the footnotes. Also, is there a reason that the website isn't reputable?
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:52 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Just one more month. We only have to deal with this for one more month.


What do you mean???
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Postby Noobubersland » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:52 pm

Where were the fish in the Ark? And how did they manage to fit the food needed onto it?
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Postby North Franklin » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:52 pm

I'm just curious how two animals of every species all got to the ark at the same time, and then had food. I mean, even once they got off, every time a carnivore killed an animal, an entire species went extinct. That's not a good plan for long term survival.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:52 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I thought you would link to actual researchers. Instead, I get answersingenesis.org.


The researchers are in the footnotes. Also, is there a reason that the website isn't reputable?


How about the fact that CREATIONISTS criticize the website. It's a joke. Also, the footnotes are hilarious and don't lead to actual scientific papers.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:53 pm

LogiChristianity: I am a logical Christian. The Bible is true because lots of people like it! Noah's ark was genuinely a big boat with two of every animal on it, and it was built of wood and it really happened! The only way to tell right from wrong is by coming to Jesus!

NSG: Yes, I am quite happy to argue with you because I'm a moron and can't tell that you're trolling. Look at these figures regarding the structural properties of wood! The ark couldn't possibly blah blah blah
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Postby Typhlochactas » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:54 pm

No. Genetic bottlenecking would prevent the surviving humans from repopulating. The flood would have affected oxygen and nitrogen levels so much, it wouldn't matter anyway.
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:54 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I thought you would link to actual researchers. Instead, I get answersingenesis.org.


The researchers are in the footnotes. Also, is there a reason that the website isn't reputable?

Clear bias, use of opinion in place of facts, lack of objective reasoning, lack of evidence, lack of understanding of the basic scientific ideas they criticise.
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Postby Neo Art » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:55 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:Okay, so I know most of you aren't open to this kind of stuff, but you should be, because it really matters. I bet a lot of you think that the Bible is just full of silly stories that couldn't actually happen. But would it amaze you to discover that Noah's ark could have actually happened?


Why yes, yes it would.

Now, you probably think that the idea of a giant flood covering the whole Earth is crazy, right? But can you prove it didn't happen? I didn't think so.


Of course I can. water vapor doesn't escape earth's gravity. Ergo any water that covered the surface of the earth would still be part of the earth's water cycle. It's not. Therefore it didn't happen.

But think about it - continental drift is true. So maybe God actually split the continents very quickly to create the great flood. Maybe that's when it happened - when Pangaea split.


Except such rapid split would have clear geological evidence, of which there is, of course, none.

Is there any solid proof that continental drift took a long time? Nope. Just theories.


Except for the fact that we're all still here, and the force released by such a thing you're discussing would have cracked the earth in half so...yeah, there's pretty solid proof right there.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:55 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:But can you prove it didn't happen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_burden_of_evidence
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:LogiChristianity: I am a logical Christian. The Bible is true because lots of people like it! Noah's ark was genuinely a big boat with two of every animal on it, and it was built of wood and it really happened! The only way to tell right from wrong is by coming to Jesus!

NSG: Yes, I am quite happy to argue with you because I'm a moron and can't tell that you're trolling. Look at these figures regarding the structural properties of wood! The ark couldn't possibly blah blah blah

No-one's making you read it. By posting, you're only pushing it to the top of the page again.

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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:57 pm

A lot of you are disregarding the fact that God could've put the animals in a hibernating state so they didn't need to eat much, and God could've prevented the animals from eating each other.
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Postby LogiChristianity » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:57 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
LogiChristianity wrote:But can you prove it didn't happen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_burden_of_evidence

Well, it'll take more than the "scientific burden of evidence" to hurt my faith.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:58 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Just one more month. We only have to deal with this for one more month.


What do you mean???

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:58 pm

LogiChristianity wrote:A lot of you are disregarding the fact that God could've put the animals in a hibernating state so they didn't need to eat much, and God could've prevented the animals from eating each other.


According to the Bible, how big was the Ark?

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