Miss Defied wrote:AuSable River wrote:I got news for you dude. the only rat poison salesman is the FDA
the highest cause of accidental death in the USA is from prescription drugs approved by the FDA (with healthy bribes from these very same pharma companies).
Oh,
do you mean this? (It's a .pdf)
What's funny is that even his own source defeats his own argument:
His claim was "prescription drugs are the highest cause of accidental death in the USA". That's, of course, not true. The own source shows that, in 2008 at least, the highest cause of accidental death was poisoning. Not "prescription drugs". 41,000 deaths, to car accidents' 38,000
Then add this fact: "2008, 89% of poisoning deaths were caused by drugs."
So of those 41,000, 89% were caused by "drugs". Not "prescription drugs", not "legal drugs". Drugs. All drugs. The remaining 11% were from things such as mushroom poisoning, ingestion of chemicals, etc etc.
So, 89% of 41,000 is 36,490. 36,490 accidental deaths in 2008 caused by "drugs" (or we can cite directly the report "Of the 36,500 drug poisoning deaths in 2008..."). How many were caused by car accidents? Right, 38,000.
Funny, I think 38,000 is more than 36,500. That would mean that car accidents caused more accidental deaths than "drugs". Isn't that exactly the opposite of what the OP claimed? Didn't he claim that drugs (not just drugs, but explicitly prescription drugs) were the LEADING CAUSE of accidental deaths in the USA?
AuSable River wrote:the highest cause of accidental death in the USA is from prescription drugs approved by the FDA
Yup.
Oh well, so much for that theory. "drugs" as a catagory doesn't beat car accidents after all, and that's including legal AND illegal drugs.
So what about those illegal drugs hm? Let's see: "Opioid analgesics (note - painkillers) were involved in nearly 15,000 deaths in 2008, while cocaine was involved in about 5,100 deaths and heroin was involved in about 3,000 deaths"
So of those 36,500 deaths, 8,100 were clearly involving illegal drugs, and only 15,000 were attributable to LEGAL drugs. So now we've gone from "41,000 deaths by FDA approved drugs" to "15,000" (which by the way, is less than half that of car accidents, and fewer in number than those that fell to their deaths).
So now we're down to 15,000. So does that mean that 15,000 people died to FDA approved drugs, does that mean that those drugs should have not been approved?
of course not. In fact, from that very same report "misuse and abuse" of drugs has been on the rise. What's that mean? It means that many of those deaths were caused by people
not following instructions, either because they didn't know them, or were addicted to them.
So we've gone from "FDA drugs kill over 40,000 people a year because they're unsafe" to "15,000 people died in 2008 due to toxicity caused in part by FDA drugs, the majority of which were caused due to misuse or abuse of that drug".
So here we have deaths caused by drugs that, if not dosed properly, can kill you, and the OP's solution is to...get rid of the organization responsible for ensuring they're labeled properly.
Brilliant!
Now, having taken the OPs advice to:
AuSable River wrote:ponder that
I have, and upon reflection, have reached a conclusion.
You are HORRIBLY bad at this. Like, stunningly bad. To the point where you are, and I say this without reservation, literally the worst debator on this forum.
You are
awful.
Ponder that, if you're able.
But aside from that, these deaths are occuring despite the regulatory powers of the FDA, not because of them. Funny though, you would think with all these bad drugs on the market that the consumers would be boycotting and "holding back" these irresponsible companies.
But they aren't. What will make consumers "hold back" these businesses when you just take away the FDA in your fantasy world?
Yeah, one would think that, wouldn't one?
And you also think that all we have to do is abolish FDA regulations and all of a sudden big pharma will stop rushing unsafe, untested drugs to the market? How will that happen exactly?
To channel the OP's logic - "fuck you, that's how"