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Farnhamia wrote:

Mavorpen wrote: no.

Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

Danbershan wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

Who says a religion has to have a god?

Danbershan wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

Who says a religion has to have a god?

Whemloch wrote:

Thafoo wrote:Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

I'd like to point out there is more evidence of God's existence but you were probably unaware of it. For example, the tilma with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on it. It has lasted in near perfect conditions in the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe for 478 years. All other clothes made of similar material kept in the same environment as that within the basilica have lasted for only about 10 years. In 1785, a worker in the basilica accidently spilled nitric acid across the right side of the tilma. Since then, it has not frayed, decayed or suffered any discoloration as it should have. In 1979 Philip C. Callahan, a research biophysicist at the University of Florida studied the tilma and concluded the image could not have been made by human hands. The eyes of Mary also feature corneal reflections, a feat in imaging that was impossible until the modern age. To all who deny the existence of any higher beings of any kind, just look around and you will learn of all the impossible things that happened and still happen in our world.

Farnhamia wrote:

Danbershan wrote:
Who says a religion has to have a god?

It's common knowledge. Seriously. I think your sarcasm detector is busted.

Whemloch wrote:

Thafoo wrote:Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

I'd like to point out there is more evidence of God's existence but you were probably unaware of it. For example, the tilma with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on it. It has lasted in near perfect conditions in the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe for 478 years. All other clothes made of similar material kept in the same environment as that within the basilica have lasted for only about 10 years. In 1785, a worker in the basilica accidently spilled nitric acid across the right side of the tilma. Since then, it has not frayed, decayed or suffered any discoloration as it should have. In 1979 Philip C. Callahan, a research biophysicist at the University of Florida studied the tilma and concluded the image could not have been made by human hands. The eyes of Mary also feature corneal reflections, a feat in imaging that was impossible until the modern age. To all who deny the existence of any higher beings of any kind, just look around and you will learn of all the impossible things that happened and still happen in our world.

Danbershan wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:It's common knowledge. Seriously. I think your sarcasm detector is busted.

Oh, my bad :/

Thafoo wrote:Why is it that sometimes, when you tell someone your religion, they act with arrogance and ignorance? When I explain to people my Buddhist views, they always act like what I had said was nonsense and I was an idiot for not believing in "[omnipotent figure here]"

Why is it that I can't tell someone my religion without them criticizing me? One time a christian tried to prove to me that there was more proof of Jesus existing than Buddha. Not really; The only "scientific" evidence of Jesus existing was an iffy Shroud of Turin and his biblical stories, whilst the Buddha has much more evidence, like how he was a prince of a (probably) existent Indian king, among other things. (The christian also tried to tell me that "we had no church")

Aren't we in a point in history (the 21st century) where people can just accept each other?

Farnhamia wrote:

Johz wrote:It's better than the Greeks and the Norse beliefs, who can't even decide which flag to use, and so pick all of them.

Or even the Hindus who have a flag that you can't understand, and so have to view in the form of the component parts of the flag.

Indeed, the Christians and the Muslims can't even see their flag.

I'm not sure where the flag of Nepal fits in this metaphor.

Interesting extrapolation. I rather think the Muslims and Christians can see their flags; they're wrapped in them. The Jews have a flag but only bring it out on special occasions and in the privacy of their places of worship. Nepal would fit roughly between Mali and Oman.

Liriena wrote:That being said: I myself am Catholic, but I believe that your belief Buddism is just as valid as my belief in Catholicism (in fact, I recognize that there's a chance that it is your faith that which is true, and not mine) and because of that, you will never see me argue on politics using my own personal religion as an argument, because that would be incredibly fallacious (hear that, my fundamentalist fellow Christians?)

Mavorpen wrote:

Danbershan wrote:
Who says a religion has to have a god?

Oxford Dictionary does.

religion Pronunciation: /rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/

Definition of religion
noun
[mass noun]
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods:
ideas about the relationship between science and religion
[count noun] a particular system of faith and worship:
the world’s great religions
[count noun] a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion:
consumerism is the new religion

Norstal wrote:

Mavorpen wrote:
Oxford Dictionary does.

religion Pronunciation: /rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/

Definition of religion
noun
[mass noun]
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods:
ideas about the relationship between science and religion
[count noun] a particular system of faith and worship:
the world’s great religions
[count noun] a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion:
consumerism is the new religion

No. it's an "or" not an "and".

Mavorpen wrote:

Liriena wrote:That being said: I myself am Catholic, but I believe that your belief Buddism is just as valid as my belief in Catholicism (in fact, I recognize that there's a chance that it is your faith that which is true, and not mine) and because of that, you will never see me argue on politics using my own personal religion as an argument, because that would be incredibly fallacious (hear that, my fundamentalist fellow Christians?)

I'm... confused. What faith are you talking about in respect to Buddhism? Because Buddha never said the Noble Eightfold Path was the only way to escape suffering. Rather, it's the way he discovered and only with testing and observation should you choose to do follow it.

Mavorpen wrote:

Norstal wrote:No. it's an "or" not an "and".

Whut?

Norstal wrote:

Mavorpen wrote:
Whut?

Nevermind, read it wrong.

Johz wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Anyway, Buddhism isn't a real religion, I mean, come on, Buddhists don't even have a god. That's like claiming to be a country when you don't have a flag.

It's better than the Greeks and the Norse beliefs, who can't even decide which flag to use, and so pick all of them.

Or even the Hindus who have a flag that you can't understand, and so have to view in the form of the component parts of the flag.

Indeed, the Christians and the Muslims can't even see their flag.

I'm not sure where the flag of Nepal fits in this metaphor.

Euronion wrote:YOU DARE QUESTION ODEN! MAY THOR'S HAMMER SMASH YOU! AND HULK'S TOO! (that being said, I wonder how people would react if they made Jesus a Marval super hero)

Johz wrote:

Whemloch wrote:I'd like to point out there is more evidence of God's existence but you were probably unaware of it. For example, the tilma with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on it. It has lasted in near perfect conditions in the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe for 478 years. All other clothes made of similar material kept in the same environment as that within the basilica have lasted for only about 10 years. In 1785, a worker in the basilica accidently spilled nitric acid across the right side of the tilma. Since then, it has not frayed, decayed or suffered any discoloration as it should have. In 1979 Philip C. Callahan, a research biophysicist at the University of Florida studied the tilma and concluded the image could not have been made by human hands. The eyes of Mary also feature corneal reflections, a feat in imaging that was impossible until the modern age. To all who deny the existence of any higher beings of any kind, just look around and you will learn of all the impossible things that happened and still happen in our world.

Yes, or you could just argue that we hold four historical documents that have not given way much more than any other historical document of the time, and so could probably represent a moderately fair assessment that there was a rabbi called Jesus. A slightly easier route to go down than the one marked with the word 'relics'.

Additionally, since this is NSG, and I'm in a foul mood, can I have a source for the claims you make of this particular relic?

Lockion wrote:the internet can be a cruel place, and religious views should be respected, even if you disagree. But not the Cult of Tom Cruise.

Lockion wrote:the internet can be a cruel place, and religious views should be respected, even if you disagree. But not the Cult of Tom Cruise.

Mavorpen wrote:

Euronion wrote:YOU DARE QUESTION ODEN! MAY THOR'S HAMMER SMASH YOU! AND HULK'S TOO! (that being said, I wonder how people would react if they made Jesus a Marval super hero)

About that...

Occupied Deutschland wrote:

Mavorpen wrote:
About that...

I always preferred a Jesus who took action to combat evil more directly.