by Call to power » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:20 pm
by Indira » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:51 pm
by New Rogernomics » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:59 pm
by Lackadaisical2 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:21 pm
Call to power wrote:The question of the thread then is what happens when the America can no longer afford to ignore reality and how it comes to terms with that when in the next century it may find itself in 1965 all over again -only this time as a declining power. We know what happens to madmen in the face of adversity, will the same be true when it comes to a question of nuclear war and how can the rest of the world seek to stop that from occurring?
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by Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:32 pm
by Corporate Councils » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:12 pm
Call to power wrote:Its not enough to merely put this away as simple flag waving or the evil shenanigans of an elite, we have a nation using demonology in its language in a war against "terror" which is not bound by secular law (or the opinions of its divine founding fathers), with a lobby that is actively working towards the final confrontation with evil on the plains of Armageddon. The American population is batshit and could at any moment turn on its allies -as I suppose it has already done so with the abduction and torture of foreign citizens. Not bound by law or reason.
by Swith Witherward » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:32 pm
I am sure we are all aware that the US has stereotypically viewed itself as the perfect form of government at the end of history (à la Fukuyama) and Gods Kingdom on Earth. There is not much debating the existence of this belief that has manifested itself from the very first puritan settlers or otherwise trying to put it in comparison to how other nations have viewed their place in the world (yeah, hyper-religious Ugandans are basically Britain's fault but try and find anything in Disraeli that matches Neo-conservative foreign policy).
The question is just how dangerous this makes the United States; one of the few nations of the world in which its leaders can talk of God telling them to go to war, one that will actively ignore the truth when it challenges its view of reality, and one that imposes its model onto the world.
Similar regimes may have existed in Revolutionary France or Soviet Russia but the US variant of a capitalist end of history has been projecting itself for over 200 years now and remains embedded in the American conciousness. Make no mistake the biggest flaw in any post-apocalyptic story is the lack of little American flags everywhere even after the bombs fall.
Its not enough to merely put this away as simple flag waving or the evil shenanigans of an elite, we have a nation using demonology in its language in a war against "terror" which is not bound by secular law (or the opinions of its divine founding fathers), with a lobby that is actively working towards the final confrontation with evil on the plains of Armageddon. The American population is batshit and could at any moment turn on its allies -as I suppose it has already done so with the abduction and torture of foreign citizens. Not bound by law or reason.
So far no nation since the fall of communism has posed a threat to the United States and its only conceivable opponents are either a humbled Russia that thankfully has its own disorder of Orthodox opposition or a China that refuses to confront the US. This does not of course mean that organizations such as the European Union cannot be painted as agents of the devil despite its place as a bastion of neo-liberal thought and it does not mean that our current world order is stable but rather that currently America can afford to ignore reality.
The question of the thread then is what happens when the America can no longer afford to ignore reality and how it comes to terms with that when in the next century it may find itself in 1965 all over again -only this time as a declining power. We know what happens to madmen in the face of adversity, will the same be true when it comes to a question of nuclear war and how can the rest of the world seek to stop that from occurring?
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by Erisian Delight » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:34 pm
by Vordergrundig » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:52 pm
by Noobubersland » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:30 pm
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Call to power wrote:The question of the thread then is what happens when the America can no longer afford to ignore reality and how it comes to terms with that when in the next century it may find itself in 1965 all over again -only this time as a declining power. We know what happens to madmen in the face of adversity, will the same be true when it comes to a question of nuclear war and how can the rest of the world seek to stop that from occurring?
You'll just have to prop us up or face extinction.
by New Sapienta » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:36 pm
by Trollgaard » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:38 pm
Call to power wrote:
The question of the thread then is what happens when the America can no longer afford to ignore reality and how it comes to terms with that when in the next century it may find itself in 1965 all over again -only this time as a declining power. We know what happens to madmen in the face of adversity, will the same be true when it comes to a question of nuclear war and how can the rest of the world seek to stop that from occurring?
by Trollgaard » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:41 pm
by Anderzeme » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:09 pm
by Call to power » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:11 pm
Indira wrote:Most of the American's I've met here are generally aware that America isn't perfect, so I would ask for sources to back your claim.
Twenty-nine percent believe the United States is a Christian nation, and another 16 percent believe the United States is a Biblical nation, defined by the Judeo-Christian tradition.
Indira wrote:As for America falling, I really don't see that happening until the next century at least.
Lackadaisical2 wrote:You'll just have to prop us up or face extinction.
Corporate Councils wrote:The first example is America westward expansion and the whole "Manifest Destiny". Did our leaders seriously think that Americans were sent to Earth to expand to the Pacific, not in the least bit; however, it did provide an awfully good justification for us to clear out any native peoples that were already living there.
Corporate Councils wrote:I also don't know what "divine law" you're referencing that Americans have used to justify the abduction and torture of foreign citizens
Corporate Councils wrote:Do we have some crazy politicians who are pushing for such things? Yes. It helps though that we have many more politicians who prefer to put American interests above ambiguous lines from a book that was possibly written as a subversive text against the Roman Empire instead of an actual prophecy.
Corporate Councils wrote:I also take offense at you insinuation that the American population
Swith Witherward wrote:It's an interesting train of thought.
Swith Witherward wrote:It's ideal in many ways, however it is only as strong as the people. It's also a clusterphuck when attempting to get anything resolved ergo the open (and irritating) hostility between political parties. It flies in the face of monarchy and dictatorship. I think it's safe to say that most American citizens feel that a constitutional republic is the way to go, and they would like to see other nations follow suit.
Swith Witherward wrote:I think you might be adding a bit of religious fanaticism here. The sense of leaders being appointed by God simply isn't to be found.(Ra/Osiris 2012!) Many Presidents and other leaders have said that they have reached a decision after prayerful thought, but consider the era. Until recently, the predominant religion was Christian.
Swith Witherward wrote:Truth is relative. There is my truth, and then there is your truth... and there is the truth itself. Our truths are based upon perceptions, opinions, life events, culture and environment.
by Republika Jugoslavija » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:15 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Call to power wrote:
The question of the thread then is what happens when the America can no longer afford to ignore reality and how it comes to terms with that when in the next century it may find itself in 1965 all over again -only this time as a declining power. We know what happens to madmen in the face of adversity, will the same be true when it comes to a question of nuclear war and how can the rest of the world seek to stop that from occurring?
What reality are we ignoring? What nuclear war are you talking about? The US vs China? And the US is not destined to decline. We have all the tools necessary to remain at the top for a long time to come...though change and hard work are necessary.
The rest of the world cannot do a thing if the US chooses nuclear war. The US may be able to do something if other nations chose nuclear war, enough to perhaps prevent extinction, but if a nation like the US or Russia choose to embark on nuclear war everyone else will be dragged down in flames with them.
by Anderzeme » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:15 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Call to power wrote:
The question of the thread then is what happens when the America can no longer afford to ignore reality and how it comes to terms with that when in the next century it may find itself in 1965 all over again -only this time as a declining power. We know what happens to madmen in the face of adversity, will the same be true when it comes to a question of nuclear war and how can the rest of the world seek to stop that from occurring?
What reality are we ignoring? What nuclear war are you talking about? The US vs China? And the US is not destined to decline. We have all the tools necessary to remain at the top for a long time to come...though change and hard work are necessary.
The rest of the world cannot do a thing if the US chooses nuclear war. The US may be able to do something if other nations chose nuclear war, enough to perhaps prevent extinction, but if a nation like the US or Russia choose to embark on nuclear war everyone else will be dragged down in flames with them.
by Napkiraly » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:19 pm
Vordergrundig wrote:Hey NS. As much as I take offense at times to insinuations of American policies or certain policy makers, I think America is in ways out of place. I can't see what the US being a threat is about though. Can anybody explain more clearly why?
by Blazedtown » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:20 pm
by Anderzeme » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:21 pm
Call to power wrote:Indira wrote:
And it worked because America believed itself to be a special example, a sort of Messiah and its a belief that continues on in the American attempts to spread its version of democracy around the world. This may be the very root of the problem for if America is the divine force for good in the world then all who oppose it are in league with the forces of darkness, or as Bush put it in an address to a joint session of Congress "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -which is a textbook example of Manichaeism in action.
by Tunasai » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:24 pm
by Napkiraly » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:27 pm
Tunasai wrote:Gettinf real fucking tired of these anti-american threads. Lets get one thing straight, in terms of past superpowers, the US is the best the world has had. Out of all the wars in which the US has conquered territory, find one instance in which it took that land for its own, besides the revolution.
by Tunasai » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:28 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Tunasai wrote:Gettinf real fucking tired of these anti-american threads. Lets get one thing straight, in terms of past superpowers, the US is the best the world has had. Out of all the wars in which the US has conquered territory, find one instance in which it took that land for its own, besides the revolution.
*cough* The Philippines *cough*
by Conserative Morality » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:28 pm
Tunasai wrote:Gettinf real fucking tired of these anti-american threads. Lets get one thing straight, in terms of past superpowers, the US is the best the world has had. Out of all the wars in which the US has conquered territory, find one instance in which it took that land for its own, besides the revolution.
by Napkiraly » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:31 pm
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