Time's up for IPv4!

[The Blaatschapen]

I'm just guessing an extremly large fraction of customers would follow my reasoning. Thus making the whole thing a lousy investment. I'm not "bitching" about other people choices... hey, I don't even buy milk, you know.

Unless we do a market research on this, we won't know if it is worth investing.

But I would also not make use of it because I'm currently shortstrapped with cash. I can't spend hard earned money on an extra service atm. Though I can totally see myself occasionally(or maybe even regularly) use a delivery service for groceries in the future.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

it could also drive the marginal cost of shopping down as an internet based market does not require the floor space a traditional super market does.

An ENTIRELY internet-based market would... but traditional shopping isn't disappearing. People don't just want the item, they want to go shopping, touch and smell items, chat with other people, and stay a bit of time out of their homes.

THat said, you dont like it dont buy the product, you asked why a customer would want a service, i gave you a reason, and you said you did not want it. you are not the only customer in the market.

I'm just guessing an extremly large fraction of customers would follow my reasoning. Thus making the whole thing a lousy investment. I'm not "bitching" about other people choices... hey, I don't even buy milk, you know.

Fridge manufacturers, supermarkets and internet providers only have to find enough customers to justify their investments, your not one of those customers, dont bitch casue there are people who would be.(full disclosure: i would not be a customer of the service either).

See what I meant?

Convergence...I used to work for a global consumer electronics company who have been driving the convergence idea quite heavily. The idea was not only to provide services as you both are talking about but also additional services that are a 'value add'...basically allowing your device to be monitored, diagnosed and fixed over the web. No idea how far that went but I know that high end prestige vehicles have this kind of technology.

Ultimately any device can be hooked up from cars to toasters. Of course chances are 95% will really be pointless beyond marketing and bullshitting people into thinking its all a great idea.

[Risottia]

... allowing your device to be monitored, diagnosed and fixed over the web. ...

I wonder how they're going to fix a broken gasket in my fridge over the web... wait, they're not.
My, people are WEIRD...

Anyway, back to IP, I don't think we'll see a lot of IPv6 LANs in the next 5 years, except for home wifi routers.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

... allowing your device to be monitored, diagnosed and fixed over the web. ...

I wonder how they're going to fix a broken gasket in my fridge over the web... wait, they're not.
My, people are WEIRD...

Anyway, back to IP, I don't think we'll see a lot of IPv6 LANs in the next 5 years, except for home wifi routers.

Eventually? Nanobots.

Actually what would happen is that the operator would diagnose the issue and if it is something that requires on site work gets a workman sent out. Already you are cutting costs because you are triaging the issue instead of sending out a workman for each issue.

Still IP...this is the main reason for v6...to allow these appliances space on the net.

Pretty much my view...LAN will stay v4...but more than the next 5 years. Long live NAT. Unless people start making v4 addys permanent. But you'd need the ISP to do that on your router.

[Saiwania]

There isn't really any need to rush into implementing IPv6 because NAT allows multiple networked computers to share one public IP address. Which substantially lengthens the amount of time IPv4 can be used.

[Ethel mermania]

... allowing your device to be monitored, diagnosed and fixed over the web. ...

I wonder how they're going to fix a broken gasket in my fridge over the web... wait, they're not.
My, people are WEIRD...

Anyway, back to IP, I don't think we'll see a lot of IPv6 LANs in the next 5 years, except for home wifi routers.

They woln,t but they will drop ship the gasket, and set up a repair time for the fellow who does come fix it. I use to work for ericsson, we did a demo project with electrolux, in an apt building in sweden. Most of the folks in the demo, liked it.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

There isn't really any need to rush into implementing IPv6 because NAT allows multiple networked computers to share one public IP address. Which substantially lengthens the amount of time IPv4 can be used.

Currently NAT is the only thing preventing the whole kit and kaboodle from going tits up...

[Cannot think of a name]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18338948

I think that 21DA:00D3:0000:2F3B:02AA:00FF:FE28:9C5A is a mouthful but I feel that it should be easy to be familiar with. However, there is no way that IPv4 can also survive at home because many people could soon be buying lots of internet-enabled devices from internet fridges to internet alarm clocks.

What is your view of the transition?

That I understood almost none of it.

[Anarcosyndiclic Peons]

IPv6 does allow for a larger number of addresses. Considerably. It's going from 4 billion to some 340 trillion.

Yes, but that is going to run out too, especially with ever increasing internet usage. Demand isn't going down. So, wouldn't it be logical to go for something much much larger so that we wont be in same position for at least next few million years.

This sums up just how massive the number of IPv6 addresses is. By the time we need more, we will be an interstellar civilization, and the new protocol would need to tackle all kinds of unforeseen hurdles. For example, the typical model of acknowledges and such would be horrible if there was a latency of even a day. An interstellar protocol would have to be based around continuous broadcast to planetary hubs or some kind of sci-fi-esque technology.

[Anarcosyndiclic Peons]

There isn't really any need to rush into implementing IPv6 because NAT allows multiple networked computers to share one public IP address. Which substantially lengthens the amount of time IPv4 can be used.

Currently NAT is the only thing preventing the whole kit and kaboodle from going tits up...

Indeed. As I recall, they allocated the last address blocks a year or two ago. Honestly, the v6 conversion is probably 4-5 years later than it ought to have been. I recall reading an article by some sudo-economist that claimed we ought to create a market to sell v4 addresses, as if there were some reason to embrace the artificial scarcity. There really isn't. The sooner we make a full transition to v6 the less time we waste coming up with unnecessary optimizations for an outdated protocol.

[Saiwania]

The sooner we make a full transition to v6 the less time we waste coming up with unnecessary optimizations for an outdated protocol.

My ISP isn't even offering IPv6 service and they are the only cable internet provider in my area, so I am going to be pissed if all support for IPv4 is dropped. I just got a new router recently, so I'm not certain if it would be physically capable of handling IPv6, although with the latest firmware it should.

I can't say I'm too thrilled about the new hexadecimal system of addressing, it is far less easier to understand and administer than the previous system. The only benefits I see with it is the practically unlimited address space and IPsec. Other than that, it creates lots of problems and headache.

[Jagalonia]

I don't want someone hacking my fridge

Just be sure to encrypt your beer and you'll be fine.

You have to drink just enough to hit Balmers peak before you can encrypt beer.....

[Risottia]

Yes, but that is going to run out too, especially with ever increasing internet usage. Demand isn't going down. So, wouldn't it be logical to go for something much much larger so that we wont be in same position for at least next few million years.

This sums up just how massive the number of IPv6 addresses is. By the time we need more, we will be an interstellar civilization,

Or simply terrestrials who put net addresses even on the sock drawers.

...I can't say I'm too thrilled about the new hexadecimal system of addressing, ...

Erm, IPv4 was hex too ( 0.0.0.0 to ff.ff.ff.ff ), only that we used to translate it in dec.

c0.a8.1.1, out.

[Trotskylvania]

IPv6 does allow for a larger number of addresses. Considerably. It's going from 4 billion to some 340 trillion.

Yes, but that is going to run out too, especially with ever increasing internet usage. Demand isn't going down. So, wouldn't it be logical to go for something much much larger so that we wont be in same position for at least next few million years.

It's not 340 trillion. It's 340 trillion trillion trillion. It will be serviceable for a long time. Trying to go any further would increase overhead in bandwidth and processing too much.

[Wikkiwallana]

there is no way that IPv4 can also survive at home because many people could soon be buying lots of internet-enabled devices from internet fridges to internet alarm clocks.

Da fuck?
Does anyone plan to need more than 2¹⁶ net addresses in a SINGLE house? If not... 192.168.x.y is more than enough.

Also... what is the purpose of an "internet fridge"? Seems quite stupid.

I remember reading about concepts for ones that would track contents, and order delivered groceries as things got close to running out. Since that was something like 10 years ago, I'm guessing it didn't pan out.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

there is no way that IPv4 can also survive at home because many people could soon be buying lots of internet-enabled devices from internet fridges to internet alarm clocks.

Da fuck?
Does anyone plan to need more than 2¹⁶ net addresses in a SINGLE house? If not... 192.168.x.y is more than enough.

Also... what is the purpose of an "internet fridge"? Seems quite stupid.

Manufacturers could get away by justifying that an internet-connected fridge would respond to the climate and weather, and advise on food supply and food safety recalls and so on. The possibilities are endless since the idea of creating the electronics is to sell it to consumers... and connect the world too.