Your plan for America?

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Without the "Evil evil government" society could not function at all.

Depending on the circumstance yes, but I said it would be entertaining not talking about whether there should be a government et cetera, My plans for America if I could? Collapse it, take the world with it. Watching how humans behave in such situations provides quite an outlook on the Human Sanctum of thought and instinct as well as emotions et cetera. Sure you can make scenarios with games, but watching a country collapse and seeing how the populace reacts is a far better way to place statistics on.

The funny thing to do would be to nuke Russia.

[Vaklor]

1. Establish a flat tax
2. Implement Laissez-Faire free-trade
3. Pull out of Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan
4. Shut down the majority of foreign military bases
5. Reduce military budget, divert it to things like education and infrastructure
6. Invest more into nuclear/alternative/ geothermal (especially) power sources, lessen reliance on oil
7. legalize marijuana, tax it, grow industrial hemp, and use it to replace trees for paper, along with everything else
8. pull out of UN
9. Stop backing Israel (maybe not; depends on long-term ramifications)
10. legalize prostitution, tax it
11. stop spying on the citizens
12. reduce the size of the federal government and federal spending
13. abolish minimum wage
14. encourage workers' unions
15. utterly eradicate the TSA
16. legalize gay marriage, and all other forms of marriage
17. legalize abortion at all times in cases of rape or the mothers' life is in danger, and up to 1st trimester otherwise
18. provide more funding to medical and scientific research
19. Have evolution be taught in classes as the truth
20. complete separation of church and state
21. try to lessen reliance on China
22. Crack down on illegal immigration
23. live in my newly-created shining utopia
24. (bonus - joke) eliminate the CIA, replace them with the Knowledge Gathering Bureau. Or the KGB.

i find 2, 8, 13, 22 somewhat contrary to all the other points.

(lasse faire is why we HAVE economic melt downs, and don't have a public transportation infrastructure por caca por nada.
eliminating illegal immegration is easy: elimanate laws against immigration. the non-obviousness of this never ceases to amaze me.)

the remainder of which i suspect someone of saying what i want to hear because i want to hear it, which may or may not bear any relation to their own intentions.

My current understanding of Laissez-Faire is complete fee trade.

[Chyeknovostan Republic]

Depending on the circumstance yes, but I said it would be entertaining not talking about whether there should be a government et cetera, My plans for America if I could? Collapse it, take the world with it. Watching how humans behave in such situations provides quite an outlook on the Human Sanctum of thought and instinct as well as emotions et cetera. Sure you can make scenarios with games, but watching a country collapse and seeing how the populace reacts is a far better way to place statistics on.

The funny thing to do would be to nuke Russia.

Russia is so large of a country however, couldn't do so without reprecussions globally. Anyways, Government is a necessary evil but I'm just saying, letting it collapse, would effect the world globally (Rome to Europe structure) and then trying to watch and see how Humanity copes with such.

[Cameroi]

i find 2, 8, 13, 22 somewhat contrary to all the other points.

(lasse faire is why we HAVE economic melt downs, and don't have a public transportation infrastructure por caca por nada.
eliminating illegal immegration is easy: elimanate laws against immigration. the non-obviousness of this never ceases to amaze me.)

the remainder of which i suspect someone of saying what i want to hear because i want to hear it, which may or may not bear any relation to their own intentions.

My current understanding of Laissez-Faire is complete fee trade.

its not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

My current understanding of Laissez-Faire is complete fee trade.

its not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

Laissez Faire is this. "Hurrr free money furr errrryone! Errryone who is rich."

[Vaklor]

its not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

Laissez Faire is this. "Hurrr free money furr errrryone! Errryone who is rich."

"In economics, laissez-faire is an environment in which transactions between private parties are free from state intervention, including regulations, taxes, tariffs and enforced monopolies. The phrase laissez-faire is French and literally means "let [them] do", but it broadly implies "let it be", or "leave it alone." A laissez-faire state and completely free market has never existed, though the degree of government regulation varies considerably."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire
Huh?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

its not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

Laissez Faire is this. "Hurrr free money furr errrryone! Errryone who is rich."

Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

[Vaklor]

Laissez Faire is this. "Hurrr free money furr errrryone! Errryone who is rich."

Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

Epic. Win. Sig'd.

[New Rogernomics]

its not the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

Laissez Faire is this. "Hurrr free money furr errrryone! Errryone who is rich."

Laissez faire relies on ignoring a lot of human nature, and in any case it's not going to happen as mixed economics holds the authority in political and intellectual circles. But if you implemented it in the US, during a period of financial decline; have fun putting down a violent revolution.

[The Downward Spiral (Ancient)]

Laissez Faire is this. "Hurrr free money furr errrryone! Errryone who is rich."

Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

As much as I disagree with laissez-faire and other fascist ideals...this response is just dripping with win

[Vaklor]

Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

As much as I disagree with laissez-faire and other fascist ideals...this response is just dripping with win

lolwut

[The Downward Spiral (Ancient)]

As much as I disagree with laissez-faire and other fascist ideals...this response is just dripping with win

lolwut

It's just proto-Social Darwinism my friend.

[Vaklor]

lolwut

It's just proto-Social Darwinism my friend.

pics?

[The Downward Spiral (Ancient)]

If I ran America I would reach out to Putin and work towards, and eventually obtain, a military alliance with Russia. After that I'd refuse to pay back the Chinese and instead declare war on them just for teh lulz because they would be unable to stop the combined might of Russia, the U.S. and NATO forces. Beforehand we'd have Russia leave the Shanghai Five of course. After we conquered China we'd turn our attentions to Israel and Iran, the U.S. would obliterate Israel and Russia would obliterate Iran. Boom, everyone is buddies.

[Vulpae]

and lo the bashing of commies and captialists commences.

I actually like a decent bit of how the country is run, but we need some reforms.

in my opinion:
1. money talks to loud, muzzle it. While private companies should have a say in the state in which they live that say should not be more important than the average citizan. Finance reform, and crackdown on corruption. corruption is treasion, and should carry a sentance in according.

2. the government oversight and regulation of busness is currently bloated and ineffecent. instead of removing it, the system should be streamlined, a bit of cost cutting and education, regulators should be focused on combating Fraud, corporate crime, breaking up monoplies when they get too large, and quality control.

3. phase out (not yank the rug) old subsidies such as the great depression era farm aid which were supposed to have been cut after WW2, never was, and we have entire farms 100% dependent on it now. we need to reevaluate. including punishing companies for outsourcing and hiring illegals.

4. invest in public transport and renewable energy, while investing in modern power at home during the interm, maybe those subsidies would be better used here. use the present, but invest for the future.

5. no new military adventures, finish what we have, the military is already in the process of gearing for counter-terrorisim and intelligence operations, keep enough firepower on hand to deal with the only two conventional militaries that are a threat today, Russia and China.

4. the state has no right to legislate morality, I would allow gay civil unions as a human right, religous institutions have the right to say no, the courts do not. planned parenthood should be supported especally when the mother's life is in danger, the line between abortion and murder should be a state decided issue. orphanages should be encouraged as an alternitive to abortion.

5. gun control. much like driving a car, you must be trained to use your weapon. The licences require one to show compatence and respect for one's weapon. they would be "persional" for handguns (requiring you have no criminal record and over 18) "recreational" for rifiles and shotguns (if you passed hunter's ed, you can get one) and "millita" for automatics. "millita" having a national regestry and database, and requiring a special training course. you can carry all but "millita" publicly.

6. Public Education standards must be better, as must funding, children are an investment in the country's future.

7. immigration issues must be resolved, the system must be streamlined to allow immigrants to come and seek their dreams. but illegal immigration and drug trafficking must be stopped.

8. china holds only 20% of US debt, 50% is privately owned, this needs to be resolved, cost cutting and streamlining. we don't need more buracracy, or government layoffs we need more a more effecent system!

9. End military embargo on cuba, impose temperory embargo instead to prevent market blwoout and satisfy 3d gen cuban immigrants, without US threat the castro regime will weaken greatly.

10. take limited action on Iran, oppose their expansion, but play the bigger man on the world stage and extend a hand to their people. they will likely deny the offer, a proppaganda victory. if it comes down to isreal and iran, be on isreal's side and provide intelligence, but not military assets beyond supply.

11. outright cut NK food aid if they do not comply with out demands, there is no need to continue feeding the enemy, hand the aid deal to china. saber rattling does not impress me, if they really want to make a war of it kill the leadership and artilerty platforms with drone strikes. make them into the villan (not that hard) on the world stage. Gain chinese support because china treats them like a psychotic little brother, if nessary support China to be the "peacekeeping force" in NK when the war is ends.

12. encourage the trade of goods (not jobs) between the US, Russia, Europe, and China grow, we are already co-dependent with china and europe, and while they hold the debt card, trade and equality are more dangerious to the communist party of china than any bombs, bullets, or laser satilites.

12. Let those damn tax cuts expire, and sew up the loopholes (part of streamlining) they have done no good for this country, wealthy people are not "job creators" by hording wealth, they create jobs when they invest it, enterprise with it, and build with it. the economy must flow, and not stagnate.

13. retire on a modest pension, and spend my days writing books, speaking, and helping causes

[Divair]

20 pages later.

Well, my basic plan would be..

Foreign policy:
End all foreign aid.
End the embargo on Cuba.
End the Afghanistan war.
Reduce the Iraq "embassy" size.
Close all overseas bases.
Pressure Israel to recognize Palestine.
Sign free trade agreements with as many countries as possible.

Economic policy:
Raise taxes on the wealthy. A lot.
Cut military spending by 50%.
Close all tax loopholes.
Raise corporate taxes slightly.
Stop making pennies. Seriously.
Repeal Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, and all these other clusterfucks. Replace with universal healthcare.
Make welfare more focused on getting people rehired.
Increase NASA's budget as much as possible.
End oil subsidies.

Social policy:
Replace marriages with civil unions. Legalize civil unions for anyone as long as it is consensual. Same sex, polygamy, whatever. Marriages can become a personal or religious thing.
Legalize euthanasia.
Legalize marijuana.
Legalize prostitution.
Make the government completely secular.
End the electoral college.
Ban lobbying.
End the two party system.
Increase presidential term to five years.
Enact net neutrality.

Thoughts on this plan?

Foreign Policy

End all foreign aid. All? Some countries might decide they don’t want to be our friends anymore. And a few might be in trouble without it. But maybe worth the risk. We'd at least get some countries to come back to the negotiating table.

End the embargo on Cuba. Yes. It will end up helping the Cuban people, and not the U.S., but maybe we can get in a free trade agreement…

End the Afghanistan war. That will happen within the next few years anyway.

Reduce the Iraq "embassy" size. Not familiar with the size of our embassy in Iraq.

Close all overseas bases. Again, I’m not so sure about "all" but I’m sure theres more than a few we could close.

Pressure Israel to recognize Palestine. Maybe by reinstating their foreign aid?

Sign free trade agreements with as many countries as possible. Agreed, as long as people keep their promises.

Economic Policy

Tax the wealthy: I’d say let’s give everyone above some income level a single flat tax. No dependents, no distinction between sources of income, etc. But then cut regulations for hiring, starting a small business, etc. So basically tell rich people, "You want to get richer? Then put it into hiring, not loopholes."

Military spending: ending unnecessary foreign wars, pork, programs that don’t work, etc. will get us part way there. Where’s the rest coming from?

Loopholes: simplify the tax code, please! But what constitutes a loophole? Would that include charity & dependents?

Raise corporate taxes slightly. Why?

Pennies: $9.99 => $9.95. I think, sadly, the time has come. It's either that, or revalue the dollar, which would cause chaos.

Obamacare, etc.: The reason Obamacare is bad is it just makes things more complex. Simplify, simplify!

Universal healthcare: any specifics?

Welfare: yes. Clinton had it right.

NASA: I’d actually cut NASA, wait a few years, hold a contest to choose a goal, and then go full throttle.

End oil subsidies. Yes, Oil companies should only be paid for product and services rendered.

Social Policy

General: You’d pretty much alienate anyone who is even slightly to the right of me, and protesters on every street corner saying the country is anti – family, but if you’re willing to put up with that…

Marriage: Interesting. So, basically, if a church is OK with civil unions, they don’t have to recognize gay marriage, since marriage would only exist within the church anyway… interesting.

Euthanasia. Would it be the patient’s wish only, or would in some cases others make the decision? What about people that are mentally incompetent? Does this mean their family can have them killed? What about healthy people that refuse to work? Or people who hold “dangerous” views?

Marijuana & prostitution: I have zero problems with this. Take some cops off the vice beat and have them enforce corruption or gang violence for a change.

Government completely secular. I thought it was already.

Electoral College: what are you going to replace it with?

Ban lobbying: how? You’d have to define lobbying, and then every corporation and special interest group in the country will be looking for a way around it. Then you’d get grey and black market lobbyists.

End the two party system: how? You’d probably have to either ban all parties but one or institute a parliament to prevent the country from restabilizing at two parties.

Increase presidential term to five years. Why is 4 worse than 5?

Enact net neutrality. I’m a small government believer, so I'm a little concerned if you're enforcing this against even specialist providers that want to provide limited coverage as an advertised service (i.e., "we block the porn so you don't have to"), but other than that, OK.

Thank you for the feedback.

[Neohippies]

1. Establish a flat tax
2. Implement Laissez-Faire free-trade
3. Pull out of Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan
4. Shut down the majority of foreign military bases
5. Reduce military budget, divert it to things like education and infrastructure
6. Invest more into nuclear/alternative/ geothermal (especially) power sources, lessen reliance on oil
7. legalize marijuana, tax it, grow industrial hemp, and use it to replace trees for paper, along with everything else
8. pull out of UN
9. Stop backing Israel (maybe not; depends on long-term ramifications)
10. legalize prostitution, tax it
11. stop spying on the citizens
12. reduce the size of the federal government and federal spending
13. abolish minimum wage
14. encourage workers' unions
15. utterly eradicate the TSA
16. legalize gay marriage, and all other forms of marriage
17. legalize abortion in cases of rape or the mothers' life is in danger, and up to 1st trimester
18. provide more funding to medical and scientific research
19. live in my newly-created shining utopia
20. (bonus - joke) eliminate the CIA, replace them with the Knowledge Gathering Bureau. Or the KGB.

That is the worst plan I have ever heard in my life.

As for 1 and 2, yep. As for the rest, nope.

[Neohippies]

If I ran America I would reach out to Putin and work towards, and eventually obtain, a military alliance with Russia. After that I'd refuse to pay back the Chinese and instead declare war on them just for teh lulz because they would be unable to stop the combined might of Russia, the U.S. and NATO forces. Beforehand we'd have Russia leave the Shanghai Five of course. After we conquered China we'd turn our attentions to Israel and Iran, the U.S. would obliterate Israel and Russia would obliterate Iran. Boom, everyone is buddies.

Except for me.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Communism is this. "Hurrah, free money for everyone!" *five minutes later* "Oh, we're a totalitarian, omnipresent, money-wasting morally depraved dictatorship-bureaucracy? Deal with it. Pay taxes like a good comrade."

As much as I disagree with laissez-faire and other fascist ideals...this response is just dripping with win

Free Market Capitalism is not Fascist in any way, shape, form, or idea.

[Socialdemokraterne]

As much as I disagree with laissez-faire and other fascist ideals...this response is just dripping with win

Free Market Capitalism is not Fascist in any way, shape, form, or idea.

It really isn't. I'm a Social Democrat, pretty much a sworn nemesis of laissez-faire, and I'd never go as far as to slur laissez-faire as a variant of Fascism. Fascism entails a number of things. Things such as totalitarianism, staunch rejection of democracy and egalitarianism, idealization of the nation to the point of individualism's near total deletion, and so forth. None of that sounds like laissez-faire to me. The fact is that Corporatism is the mode of economics that many a Fascist country has favored, though it is not an inherent quality of Fascism.

[Southern United States of America]

As much as I disagree with laissez-faire and other fascist ideals...this response is just dripping with win

Free Market Capitalism is not Fascist in any way, shape, form, or idea.

Laissez-faire is closer to anarchism than anything else.


I really hope that a true fascist government comes into power at some point in the near future, so lefties can finally learn the meaning of the word.

[Atalem]

I really hope that a true fascist government comes into power at some point in the near future, so lefties can finally learn the meaning of the word.

Is one object lesson really worth that?

[Vulpae]

also adding to my earlier ideas, I'd leagalise Marajuanna, tax it, and treat it much as we do booze and cigs.
get into some hempy research too, there might be a potental replacement for deforestation and huge profits.

[New Rogernomics]

Free Market Capitalism is not Fascist in any way, shape, form, or idea.

It really isn't. I'm a Social Democrat, pretty much a sworn nemesis of laissez-faire, and I'd never go as far as to slur laissez-faire as a variant of Fascism. Fascism entails a number of things. Things such as totalitarianism, staunch rejection of democracy and egalitarianism, idealization of the nation to the point of individualism's near total deletion, and so forth. None of that sounds like laissez-faire to me. The fact is that Corporatism is the mode of economics that many a Fascist country has favored, though it is not an inherent quality of Fascism.

My degree of dislike for laissez faire depends on it's associate philosophies. Tied with Objectivism I am tempted to disagree with the premise 'altruism is evil', and the further premise 'applied altruism is evil', as it is human nature; some would argue a genetic trait. However attempting to alter human nature is rarely successful, the closest attempt was in the USSR; but human nature wasn't as malleable as they thought it was.

[Socialdemokraterne]

I really hope that a true fascist government comes into power at some point in the near future, so lefties can finally learn the meaning of the word.

...read my post on laissez-faire and Fascism. It's the post directly above yours. Or if looking up is too hard, it was quoted a little while after you posted this. Once you understand that "lefties" can indeed know and understand what Fascism is, go soak your head.