Is There a "War On Women" in the U.S.A.?

[Christian Democrats]

Because all women support abortion?

They don't.

But if you were a Christian, you'd know that that doesn't matter, because those who want one still have a right to obtain one.

Are you a Christian?

[Laerod]

Yup.

outliers

Cherry picking.

[Sammich Republic]

Access to those is being attacked.

Because stores are being ordered to remove them from their shelves . . . ?

Access is not being attacked. Stores are not being ordered to remove them. These are the lies told by the leftist propaganda machine.

Anybody can still walk into any WalMart or CVS, plunk down their money and walk out with a box of fishskins. With a doctor's note, you can have a month of pills for $9.

If anything is being attacked it's the freedom to choose whether to offer or not offer these things according to conscience. Seems that "choice" is fine for the fascist mob unless somebody wants to choose something they don't like.

[Art Vandelay]

Despite the best efforts of us on the left to bring people together, conservatives seem to want to rip our social fabric apart at the seams by turning everyone against one another.

Do you think the people on the right might believe that, in spite of their best efforts to keep society from disintegrating that the left is tearing it apart?

People can want what's best for their nation and have different views on what's needed.

There's a reason I put the words "seem to" between the words "conservatives" and "want."

[Vousielle]

How so? I understand your point, but many people are motivated to act politically when an issue bothers their conscience, and whichever side is more effective at demonstrating that they are on the 'right' side of an issue benefits accordingly from that. Relying entirely on an appeal to morality isn't the the best possible course of action, but there is a place for it in debate alongside other types of appeals.

Because right and wrong are subjective, especially in something as messy as politics. Saying "Its right the right thing to do!" can quickly and easily be rebuffed simply by saying "No, I disagree."

But an appeal to morality can stick in the mind of a portion of the public, regardless of the quality of the rebuttal. If someone is on the fence but generally agrees in principle, a marginally convincing demonstration that you are in the right can push them over the edge.

[Laerod]

They don't.

But if you were a Christian, you'd know that that doesn't matter, because those who want one still have a right to obtain one.

Are you a Christian?

Do unto others as you would have done unto you. If you advocate restricting someone else's rights but don't agree to have the same done to you, you're not a good Christian.

[Running Dog Capitalists]

I'm talking about PP's questionable record on parental consent on underage girl

There is nothing questionable about that stance. The girl's body is not owned by her parents. How they feel about her choices in these matters is totally irrelevant.

If parents want their daughters to not get abortions, instill that value in their children. It is not my, Planned Parenthood's, nor societies job to see that your child adheres to your values.

By law it is you that's wrong. The parents are responsible for health and well-being of that girl and the age of consent is there for a reason. I gaurentee that if you hide an abortion my 13 year old daughter has when she gets pregnant by a 40 year old man then PP has a big fucking problem. An abortion is a medical procedure and cannot be given to a child who is not of the age of consent.

This is not the state teaching my kid values. It is the state making sure PP obeys the law. Big difference.

[Christian Democrats]

Because stores are being ordered to remove them from their shelves . . . ?

Wedge strategy implies that this is what's next.

According to Supreme Court precedent, it'd be unconstitutional to prohibit artificial contraception completely. The argument that Republicans want to ban contraception is a straw man.

[Running Dog Capitalists]

Maybe not a war, but on any given Saturday night there sure is lots of recon, flank and capture.

This guy wins.

Peace out yo!

[Avenio]

Yup.

outliers

A society that allows women to vote or non-rich males to hold political power would also be an outlier, historically. What's your point?

[Northern Dominus]

Wow. So a charity cutting funding to an organization with questionable practices (I'm talking about PP's questionable record on parental consent on underage girls and reporting actual rapes) is akin to rape? And all laws regarding the termination of a life (in some views) and oversight of abortion clinics is akin to rape?

How utterly insulting to those who have actually suffered from rape. This is the kind of equivalency that is complete bullshit and that is pushed by Democrats who can't stand on accomplishment and record. Disgusting and pitiful.

The Lila Rose campaign was a smearjob courtesy of a pundit with a camera, and in any event not only was that employee terminated but the advice they gave them was within state guidelines anyway. Those smear campaigns have been repeatedly debunked, but of course the propaganda machine that is conservative media never published or broadcasted the rebuttal. The cries of "promoting child abuse" and "pressuring women to receive abortions" are nothing but straw men screamed by people with little understanding or empathy regarding womens health, safety, and very hard choices.

Compare that with Susan G. Komen's sudden re-write of donation rules and cut off of funds that help lower-income women receive breast exams and pap smears, things that directly affect their reproductive potential, as well as help them make informed decisions regarding pregnancy and childbirth. If that isn't assault on women's health and sexuality IE Rape, then what is exactly?

And before you go off all holier than thou, bear in mind I do donate my time to RAINN aiding victims of rape and incest, so I know what's at stake here. Karen Handel, by jumping into bed with the wingnut right has made her an accomplice to the assault on womens rights that those politicians are waging. I know what rape does. It's a violation of a persons personal safety, of a significant part of their identity, their well being, and a million other psychological traumas.

I know what I'm talking about when I say Susan G Komen and all of the "tea party" ultra-right wingnuts are just as guilty of rape as every convicted felon that is sent away for the physical act. It's denigrating, abusive, and deplorable, and it is the duty of every person who has a even a modicum of compassion for their fellow humans, regardless of what their gender is to stand up against this kind of abuse.

[Christian Democrats]

Are you a Christian?

Do unto others as you would have done unto you. If you advocate restricting someone else's rights but don't agree to have the same done to you, you're not a good Christian.

If I were a pregnant woman in an extremely distressed state, then I would want others with clearer heads to prevent me from procuring an abortion.

You didn't answer my question.

[Wikkiwallana]

Access to those is being attacked.

Because stores are being ordered to remove them from their shelves . . . ?

http://www.newser.com/story/139777/rick ... ot-ok.html
http://jezebel.com/5732839/pharmacist-r ... d-abortion
[url]http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/22/guilty-conscience-midwest-states-peddle-“religious-freedom”[/url]

Edit: when is the board going to learn to handle punctuation in it's codes?

[Art Vandelay]

Wedge strategy implies that this is what's next.

According to Supreme Court precedent, it'd be unconstitutional to prohibit artificial contraception completely. The argument that Republicans want to ban contraception is a straw man.

Just because it's unconstitutional doesn't mean they don't want to do it. The right has a long history of demonstrated contempt for the Constitution--just look at their opposition to the New Deal.

[Odins Scandinavia]

Nether of which is all that traditional.

Because same-sex couples have been marrying for centuries . . .

there has never been a same sex couple married in a christian ceremony.

[Christian Democrats]

outliers

A society that allows women to vote or non-rich males to hold political power would also be an outlier, historically. What's your point?

"Traditional marriage" is not an invalid phrase.

[Laerod]

Wedge strategy implies that this is what's next.

According to Supreme Court precedent, it'd be unconstitutional to prohibit artificial contraception completely. The argument that Republicans want to ban contraception is a straw man.

Wow. The entire purpose of the Wedge Strategy was to circumvent Supreme Court bans on teaching creationism in school by a gradual protest. Claiming that Supreme Court precedents protect against Wedge Strategy is the absolute stupidest claim you could possibly make in good conscience.

[Wikkiwallana]

Yup.

outliers

Sorry, you don't get to declare that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

[Laerod]

A society that allows women to vote or non-rich males to hold political power would also be an outlier, historically. What's your point?

"Traditional marriage" is not an invalid phrase.

It is, however, invalid to force it on people.

[Christian Democrats]

The right has a long history of demonstrated contempt for the Constitution--just look at their opposition to the New Deal.

The Constitution requires the federal government to provide welfare?

[Sensitive New Age Guys]

I think the War on Women is about as real as the World of Warcraft.

WoW. I was certain that someone would challenge me on the reality of World of Warcraft.

[Deus Malum]

Because same-sex couples have been marrying for centuries . . .

there has never been a same sex couple married in a christian ceremony.

http://www.tbd.com/blogs/amanda-hess/20 ... -2363.html

[Ende]

Okay, I went and did some legitimate research.

Yes, there's a war on women's reproductional rights.

[Christian Democrats]

"Traditional marriage" is not an invalid phrase.

It is, however, invalid to force it on people.

I'm just arguing that "traditional marriage" exists.

[Christian Democrats]

Okay, I went and did some legitimate research.

Yes, there's a war on women's reproductional rights.

What's a reproductional right?