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Postby Cill Airne » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:49 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:I am in Biology class right now and asked my biology teacher, she said everything has to have a beginning. How can it not? My chemistry teacher agrees as well.
So, something in Science must say it.

Go ask a physics teacher. Mention cosmology and the beginning of the universe when you do.

My chemistry teacher is the schools physics teacher as well.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:51 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Go ask a physics teacher. Mention cosmology and the beginning of the universe when you do.

My chemistry teacher is the schools physics teacher as well.

That's depressing.

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Postby Cill Airne » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:52 am

Divair wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:My chemistry teacher is the schools physics teacher as well.

That's depressing.

His degree is in physics, he only has a minor in chemistry.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:53 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Except there's nothing in science that says everything has a beginning.

I am in Biology class right now and asked my biology teacher, she said everything has to have a beginning. How can it not? My chemistry teacher agrees as well.
So, something in Science must say it.

Or something in their personal beliefs say it.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:53 am

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Divair wrote:That's depressing.

His degree is in physics, he only has a minor in chemistry.

It'd still be far better to have two highly specialized teachers, imo.

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Postby Cill Airne » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:55 am

Divair wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:His degree is in physics, he only has a minor in chemistry.

It'd still be far better to have two highly specialized teachers, imo.

Our school is small. We have two science teachers (one teaches biology, anatomy, adv. biology, and geological science the other teaches chemistry, physics, adv. chem), just like we have two history teachers. Our school is too small for any more.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:56 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Go ask a physics teacher. Mention cosmology and the beginning of the universe when you do.

My chemistry teacher is the schools physics teacher as well.

Does he keep up with ANY modern science?
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Postby Goddess Diva Hatsune Miku » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:03 am

Madokaism is the only true religion. Madoka had a beginning, but lost it after she became a God.
She will safe everyone, even they don't believe. That's how kind she is.

."Don't forget.
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Postby Caecuser » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:07 am

Goddess Diva Hatsune Miku wrote:Madokaism is the only true religion. Madoka had a beginning, but lost it after she became a God.
She will safe everyone, even they don't believe. That's how kind she is.

."Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
--As long as you remember her,
you are not alone."

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Is this some kind of sarcastic post? I'm kind of confused.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:10 am

Caecuser wrote:
Goddess Diva Hatsune Miku wrote:Madokaism is the only true religion. Madoka had a beginning, but lost it after she became a God.
She will safe everyone, even they don't believe. That's how kind she is.

."Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
--As long as you remember her,
you are not alone."

(Image)


Is this some kind of sarcastic post? I'm kind of confused.

Why would a True Follower of The Lord Madoka be sarcastic?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:13 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:My chemistry teacher is the schools physics teacher as well.

Does he keep up with ANY modern science?

One assumes he's busy with lesson plans and correcting homework and so on. If it isn't on the curriculum he could well have a lot of trouble finding time for it.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:15 am

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Mavorpen wrote:Does he keep up with ANY modern science?

One assumes he's busy with lesson plans and correcting homework and so on. If it isn't on the curriculum he could well have a lot of trouble finding time for it.

Precisely my point. This is why you don't ask High School science teacher questions when it comes to current events, unless you KNOW they keep up with it.
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Postby Goddess Diva Hatsune Miku » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:31 am

Caecuser wrote:
Goddess Diva Hatsune Miku wrote:Madokaism is the only true religion. Madoka had a beginning, but lost it after she became a God.
She will safe everyone, even they don't believe. That's how kind she is.

."Don't forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
--As long as you remember her,
you are not alone."

(Image)


Is this some kind of sarcastic post? I'm kind of confused.


I'm completely serious. I worship her.

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:32 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Divair wrote:That's depressing.

His degree is in physics, he only has a minor in chemistry.


Then he quite evidently doesn't know what he's talking about, which is even more depressing.
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Postby The USOT » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:28 pm

Kubrath wrote:I want to argue with someone. Anyone interested?

I dont think you get how NSG works. You state an originally under developed oppinion or statement, we critique you to say what the statement should include and THEN we get to actual debates :p
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Postby Kaiserholt » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:36 pm

Yes there is a God...probably several of them. Being more evolved beings, they see no problem with messing around in our lives. In other words, Ricky Gervais explained God very well in 'The Invention of Lying'.
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Postby The USOT » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:38 pm

Kaiserholt wrote:Yes there is a God...probably several of them. Being more evolved beings, they see no problem with messing around in our lives. In other words, Ricky Gervais explained God very well in 'The Invention of Lying'.

An entity made up by people to make themselves feel better? Because that is essentially the role of god in The Invention of Lying
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Postby Kaiserholt » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:47 pm

The USOT wrote:
Kaiserholt wrote:Yes there is a God...probably several of them. Being more evolved beings, they see no problem with messing around in our lives. In other words, Ricky Gervais explained God very well in 'The Invention of Lying'.

An entity made up by people to make themselves feel better? Because that is essentially the role of god in The Invention of Lying

An entity made up by people to also explain all the rotten things that happen in life, yes.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:23 pm

Kaiserholt wrote:
The USOT wrote:An entity made up by people to make themselves feel better? Because that is essentially the role of god in The Invention of Lying

An entity made up by people to also explain all the rotten things that happen in life, yes.

Which is interesting, because the bad things are not God's fault, they're your fault. You're a sinner, born to sin, tainted with the Original Sin of Adam and Eve, which you will never live down but might earn forgiveness for if you surrender yourself to Yahweh of Edom.

The good things, now, those are all God's gifts to you.

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Postby Madoka Kaname » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:24 pm

Goddess Diva Hatsune Miku wrote:
Caecuser wrote:
Is this some kind of sarcastic post? I'm kind of confused.


I'm completely serious. I worship her.

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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:04 pm

Cill Airne wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:I spotted the circular argument early in.
>Everything has a beginning because god said so.
>Therefore, god.

If you can prove the first part and redefine god to mean the creation of the universe, then you're right. But then that's not god anymore.

Actually, I didn't make the claim that everything has a beginning because God said so, I said everything has a beginning because Science says so. Directly from what I said, "now, modern science states the universe began to exist..."

False. Since NASA's WMAP finds the geometry of the universe to be flat with an error margin of 0.5%, this suggests that the total energy of the universe might just cancel out to zero, meaning that the universe could very well come from nothing.

Besides, quantum theory (modern science, as you claim) necessitates that there are things that we call as virtual particles that come from nothing.

That's if coming from nothing is what you really mean by "having a beginning". If you refer to having a beginning as starting to exist at a certain point in time, the universe cannot possibly have a beginning since time came into existence with the universe itself.

Can someone who actually does physics correct me?
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:56 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:I spotted the circular argument early in.
>Everything has a beginning because god said so.
>Therefore, god.

If you can prove the first part and redefine god to mean the creation of the universe, then you're right. But then that's not god anymore.

Actually, I didn't make the claim that everything has a beginning because God said so, I said everything has a beginning because Science says so. Directly from what I said, "now, modern science states the universe began to exist..."


So what caused god then?

Did it just will itself into existence?
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:57 am

Czechanada wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:Actually, I didn't make the claim that everything has a beginning because God said so, I said everything has a beginning because Science says so. Directly from what I said, "now, modern science states the universe began to exist..."


So what caused god then?

Did it just will itself into existence?

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Postby Zottistan » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:01 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Except there's nothing in science that says everything has a beginning.

I am in Biology class right now and asked my biology teacher, she said everything has to have a beginning. How can it not? My chemistry teacher agrees as well.
So, something in Science must say it.

Your science teacher is not infallible. Everything needs a beginning, but there's nothing that says that something can't come from nothing, and there's a lot of theories out there that involve something coming from nothing.
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