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Postby Cu Math » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:06 pm

Harkonna wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Pope Pius XII declared, at the November 22, 1951, opening meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, that the Big Bang theory does not conflict with the Catholic concept of creation.

What does that matter? Religion is still provably wrong nonsense. Try again, you 'potato.'

Hey! Do not insult the holy tuber by comparing the two of them! Potatoes are useful!
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Postby Andropoland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:06 pm

Harkonna wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Religion is a theory, a lot of stuff surrounding the Big-Bang is theory such as existence of certain particles and such, we all have our own theories, both sides have their unknowns.

Nopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenope.

Religion is a story made up based on poor observations or deliberate lies made by ancient civilizations, modern con-artists, and religious psychotics that don't mesh well with their parent religions regarding the universe.

Science works with the evidence and extrapolates to the best degree of certainty what is true based upon it.

You ignorant, braindead creotard.

You may be right, but that's being a little to harsh. I mean, modern religions (such as Christianity) may be 90% incorrect, but he is right about religion just being a theory. It's OK to be Atheist, but stay open-minded at least.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:06 pm

Cu Math wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Pope Pius XII declared, at the November 22, 1951, opening meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, that the Big Bang theory does not conflict with the Catholic concept of creation.

Pope innocent III declared geese were made of fruit. So much logic its astounding.

show me that proof
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Postby Hossaim » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:06 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Pope innocent III declared geese were made of fruit. So much logic its astounding.

show me that proof

It's a comparison.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:*cough*hypocrite!*cough*


Religion is based on Faith. Soviet Canuckistan is pointing that out, by requiring atheists to show proof. How does that make him a hypocrite?

Because I asked him to show proof of his claims which he refused to do so, then he turns around and demands proof of someone else.
So I called him a hypocrite.
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Postby Finium » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

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Probably.

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Postby Avenio » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

Harkonna wrote:What does that matter? Religion is still provably wrong nonsense. Try again, you 'potato.'


You are not helping, seriously. From one atheist to another, do you honestly think that insulting theists will help at all? If not, then why are you doing it?

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Postby Condunum » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

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Greater Tezdrian wrote:Joking=/=Mocking.


Militant atheists fail to make that distinction, when it comes to religious issues.

This is the only thing I will comment on from what you said, because I really couldn't be bothered to read everything at this hour. What he said is blatantly wrong. It is, in fact, joking. Joking is a form of comedy. If it was intended as a joke, it was a joke.
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Postby Inexplicability » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Religion is a theory, a lot of stuff surrounding the Big-Bang is theory such as existence of certain particles and such, we all have our own theories, both sides have their unknowns.

Religion is not a theory in the same way that the big bang theory is a theory. Religion is not backed by evidence.
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Postby Hungramy » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

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Postby Huskvarneque » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:07 pm

Condunum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Time in our universe.

Is the big bang considered the start of time in our universe? I didn't think it was, but then, that's not my field.


Yes, it is, time itself started it's existence when the big bang happened. Before the Big Bang, there was nothing, and I mean nothing, no time, no trace of matter, nothing. I know, many would say "How would the big bang happen if there was nothing there to begin with?!!!", and the only answer I got to that is.... Quantum Physics, in Quantum Physics it is possible for secs of matter to disappear and reappear, or basically cease to exist, and randomly pop back into existence. This has been observed in what's known as Quirks, the stuff that makes up the inside of protons, electrons, and neutrons. Since we know this it is possible to assume something could have randomly popped into the empty void of nothingness of our universe, and caused the chain reaction that lead to the big bang, and the creation of our universe.

This is at least my understanding of it all... unless I'm wrong somewhere, then I hope someone can correct me....

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The original commandment, in the original writings, said: thou shalt not murder. It was later mistranslated as "thou shalt not kill". The translators, they have the capability to make errors, you know that, right?

I never said "Thou shalt not kill" was the right translation.

Shofercia wrote:Religion is based on Faith. Soviet Canuckistan is pointing that out, by requiring atheists to show proof. How does that make him a hypocrite?

You can't prove God. You can't disprove God. Religion is Faith based. Math is number based. History is story based. You don't demand Integral Calculus to be used by Civil War Scholars in filming documentaries, do you? Then why demand that something that's Faith based, be factually proven?


Because everything must be supported by evidence. If someone tells you that your significant other is cheating on you, you demand proof. What if your friend says, "Nah, you just gotta have faith, that's what friends are for!" Or how about if you tell someone that water is H20 and they tell you that that's not how they think about water. Or how about a homicidal maniac who has hallucinations? You gonna let him roam free because it's his faith? Religion doesn't get a "get out of jail free" card for skepticism. Stop covering up the fact you have no evidence.
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Postby Andropoland » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm

Avenio wrote:
Harkonna wrote:What does that matter? Religion is still provably wrong nonsense. Try again, you 'potato.'


You are not helping, seriously. From one atheist to another, do you honestly think that insulting theists will help at all? If not, then why are you doing it?

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Postby Shofercia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Shofercia wrote:I want to sarcastically thank the OP for displaying a level of tolerance and understanding to a culture that's different than his own.

Wait...

Christianity isn't part of Western culture?


Define Western Culture, without being overbroad. Oh wait...

You might as well claim that we're all children of the Earth, and thus we all have the same culture.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm

Hossaim wrote:
Condunum wrote:Is the big bang considered the start of time in our universe? I didn't think it was, but then, that's not my field.

Yes, that's almost it's defenition.

It's primarily defined as the beginning of the expansion of our universe, as I understood.
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Postby Wisconsin7 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm

Andropoland wrote:
Harkonna wrote:Nopenopenopenopenopenopenopenopenope.

Religion is a story made up based on poor observations or deliberate lies made by ancient civilizations, modern con-artists, and religious psychotics that don't mesh well with their parent religions regarding the universe.

Science works with the evidence and extrapolates to the best degree of certainty what is true based upon it.

You ignorant, braindead creotard.

You may be right, but that's being a little to harsh. I mean, modern religions (such as Christianity) may be 90% incorrect, but he is right about religion just being a theory. It's OK to be Atheist, but stay open-minded at least.

Again, theories have at least some evidence in their favor.
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:09 pm

A favorite definition of mine concerning faith is:

"Faith is a decision we make and continue to make over time. Faith is an assertion that a particular belief is true, meaningful and worthy of our trust and effort, no matter what. You can change or disprove beliefs but faith is bedrock solid. You can have faith in ideas, in practices, in institutions and organizations, in people and gods, in whatever you choose to bind yourself to. It is the act of binding that is faith."
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Postby Heirosoloa » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:09 pm

Huskvarneque wrote:Yes, it is, time itself started it's existence when the big bang happened. Before the Big Bang, there was nothing, and I mean nothing, no time, no trace of matter, nothing. I know, many would say "How would the big bang happen if there was nothing there to begin with?!!!", and the only answer I got to that is.... Quantum Physics, in Quantum Physics it is possible for secs of matter to disappear and reappear, or basically cease to exist, and randomly pop back into existence. This has been observed in what's known as Quirks, the stuff that makes up the inside of protons, electrons, and neutrons. Since we know this it is possible to assume something could have randomly popped into the empty void of nothingness of our universe, and caused the chain reaction that lead to the big bang, and the creation of our universe.

This is at least my understanding of it all... unless I'm wrong somewhere, then I hope someone can correct me....


I was lurking the astrophysicists/astronomers earlier, and I saw some references to prior universes.
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Postby Vestralia » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:09 pm

Well, this thread began inflammatory, and hopefully will die before it can change.
I hope this gets locked.

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Postby Harkonna » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:09 pm

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Andropoland wrote:You may be right, but that's being a little to harsh. I mean, modern religions (such as Christianity) may be 90% incorrect, but he is right about religion just being a theory. It's OK to be Atheist, but stay open-minded at least.


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Postby Finium » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:10 pm

Greater Tezdrian wrote:A favorite definition of mine concerning faith is:

"Faith is a decision we make and continue to make over time. Faith is an assertion that a particular belief is true, meaningful and worthy of our trust and effort, no matter what. You can change or disprove beliefs but faith is bedrock solid. You can have faith in ideas, in practices, in institutions and organizations, in people and gods, in whatever you choose to bind yourself to. It is the act of binding that is faith."
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Postby Vaklor » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:10 pm

Vestralia wrote:Well, this thread began inflammatory, and hopefully will die before it can change.
I hope this gets locked.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:10 pm

Our beliefs also help the economy, the economy would suck without Christmas shopping season.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:11 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Our beliefs also help the economy, the economy would suck without Christmas shopping season.


Black fucking Friday.
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