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New evidence suggests Stone Age hunters from Europe discovered America
New archaeological evidence suggests that America was first discovered by Stone Age people from Europe – 10,000 years before the Siberian-originating ancestors of the American Indians set foot in the New World. A remarkable series of several dozen European-style stone tools, dating back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, have been discovered at six locations along the US east coast. Three of the sites are on the Delmarva Peninsular in Maryland, discovered by archaeologist Dr Darrin Lowery of the University of Delaware. One is in Pennsylvania and another in Virginia. A sixth was discovered by scallop-dredging fishermen on the seabed 60 miles from the Virginian coast on what, in prehistoric times, would have been dry land.

Tubbsalot wrote:I'm so glad this thread turned out to be about how white people are genetically superior.

Tubbsalot wrote:I'm so glad this thread turned out to be about how white people are genetically superior.

Meowfoundland wrote:I view them exactly the same as I did before. Why should my views change?

Walden Pond wrote:No one mentioned anything about genetics.

Walden Pond wrote:

Meowfoundland wrote:I view them exactly the same as I did before. Why should my views change?

Because they're not the first people in America, they came to America and genocided the Native white people.

Walden Pond wrote:

Meowfoundland wrote:I view them exactly the same as I did before. Why should my views change?

Because they're not the first people in America, they came to America and genocided the Native white people.

Ifreann wrote:

Walden Pond wrote:Because they're not the first people in America, they came to America and genocided the Native white people.

Hahaha. Yeah buddy, the presence of some ancient European style tools in North America proves that the people who made and used them were destroyed by genocide.

As a result of these factors the Solutrean (European originating) Native Americans were either partly absorbed by the newcomers or were substantially obliterated by them either physically or through competition for resources.

Saint Jade IV wrote:I'm confused about what impact this discovery should have on the way I view the shocking treatment of the Native Americans by the colonists.

Tubbsalot wrote:

Walden Pond wrote:No one mentioned anything about genetics.

No, but you did mention that the natives stole the rightfully earned land of the hardworking Europeans, and from there I can make some inferences.

And I think I will.

Meowfoundland wrote:

Saint Jade IV wrote:I'm confused about what impact this discovery should have on the way I view the shocking treatment of the Native Americans by the colonists.

Don'tcha know? The possible maybe in the distant past actions of a group of people negates their descendants' suffering.

Walden Pond wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Hahaha. Yeah buddy, the presence of some ancient European style tools in North America proves that the people who made and used them were destroyed by genocide.

As a result of these factors the Solutrean (European originating) Native Americans were either partly absorbed by the newcomers or were substantially obliterated by them either physically or through competition for resources.

Ifreann wrote:

Walden Pond wrote:

So you agree that you were mistaken to assume that genocide occurred. Excellent.

Conserative Morality wrote:My views are exactly the same. Vae Victis, etc etc.

Walden Pond wrote:The first people of North America were from Europe. Thousands of years later, invaders from Asia crossed the land bridge from Siberia and stole our land.

New evidence suggests Stone Age hunters from Europe discovered America
New archaeological evidence suggests that America was first discovered by Stone Age people from Europe – 10,000 years before the Siberian-originating ancestors of the American Indians set foot in the New World. A remarkable series of several dozen European-style stone tools, dating back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, have been discovered at six locations along the US east coast. Three of the sites are on the Delmarva Peninsular in Maryland, discovered by archaeologist Dr Darrin Lowery of the University of Delaware. One is in Pennsylvania and another in Virginia. A sixth was discovered by scallop-dredging fishermen on the seabed 60 miles from the Virginian coast on what, in prehistoric times, would have been dry land.

Does this information change how you view race relations in North America? How you view the "Native Americans" and "First Nations"?

Meowfoundland wrote:

Walden Pond wrote:Because they're not the first people in America, they came to America and genocided the Native white people.

Why do you assume they were "genocided"? Could they not have just been out competed?

• New evidence? First citation I can find concerning the solutrean hypothesis dates to the 1950s
• Back then, the evidence amounted to the same thing mentioned in the OP - tools remarkably reminiscent of (But not entirely identical with, and a few thousand years after) solutrean tools in Europe - were found in North America (Clovis technology), very much distinct from the tools found in siberia, from where colonisation of the Americas was supposed to have occured
• However, nobody took the hypothesis seriously, since, you know... Sometimes technologies are invented in more than one place. Atlatls, bow & arrow, bronze... All were developed independently from each other in several different places (Old- as well as new world, to be specific). So why not clovis/ solutrean tools? Especially considering the whole 'Atlantic' deal in the way between Europe and North America. With an icesheet to follow, admittedly, but still. Independent development seems a tad more likely
• This changed in the 2000s, when genetic markers (Haplogroups, I think? Too lazy to look up the details right now. Ask one of the resident archaeologists) were found among native americans, dating back to upwards of 10000 years ago, and related to European sources, which suddenly gave the solutrean hypothesis some validity. The genes in question must've got there somehow, after all
• But of course, the whole 'Crossing the atlantic along the ice sheet over ten thousand years before the first paleo-eskimo cultures popped up, and on the other side of the northern hemisphere to boot?' made some people wonder, and thus more detailed analysis occured, which promptly found out that the 'European' genetic markers found among natives dating to these times were actually even more closely related to some altaic people - which opened up the possibility that the marker made it to north america with the general bering strait (Or previous coastal) migration while the now-rudimentary altaic people in question were still inhabiting the majority of northern asia. Which seems just a tad more likely than the solutrean hypothesis