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I don't think I did. I do, however, think it was very charitable of you to describe what he had as a 'point'.


Think about it. A pansexual likes men and women. Unless humans were to discover an alien race with functional hermaphrodites, it's kind of pointless to come up with another label. :/


I will admit that it is at least true there have been no intersex people with fully functional male organs and fully functional female organs, but to compare gender ambiguous people to aliens (I know that was not the intention of your post but you need to understand your tone itself is negative) or imply every single one of them could be classified as a man or a woman is insulting.

Whether someone was actually born with biological intersex qualities, or whether they were born biologically as one sex but cannot identify as either, genderqueer identities should be acknowledged.
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Postby Faolinn » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:41 am

But what is genderqueer?No one has explained it.
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Postby Motuka » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:52 am

Faolinn wrote:But what is genderqueer?No one has explained it.

Ceanniceasdfghl;; did on the last page actually.
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Postby Faolinn » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:21 am

Not very clearly.It mostly just looked like a list of subdivisions.
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Postby Walrusfolk Eurarcta » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:19 pm

Faolinn wrote:Not very clearly.It mostly just looked like a list of subdivisions.

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Postby ROBOTIC-O-ROTICA » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:30 pm

I think the LGBT community is a fine set of people. Humans. Like you and I.
I think the whole "Get them they're different." Mentality placed in the head of people over the course of thousands of years is bullshit.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:52 pm

Motuka wrote:
Faolinn wrote:But what is genderqueer?No one has explained it.

Ceanniceasdfghl;; did on the last page actually.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:52 pm

Faolinn wrote:Not very clearly.It mostly just looked like a list of subdivisions.

That might be because "genderqueer" is a catchall for many different groups of people. You really shouldn't use it to define specifics, but rather the group as a whole.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:57 pm

Faolinn wrote:
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I don't think I did. I do, however, think it was very charitable of you to describe what he had as a 'point'.


Think about it. A pansexual likes men and women. Unless humans were to discover an alien race with functional hermaphrodites, it's kind of pointless to come up with another label. :/

No, it isn't. As I explained earlier, they are different terms that share similarities. Bisexuals are attracted to both genders and sexes. Pansexuals are attracted to individuals regardless of sex, gender, and even species. Pansexuals, I have heard them described and I adhere to this description, are gender-blind; Unlike other sexualities, they are not so much caring about the gender or sex(ie homosexuals are attracted to the same sex/gender, heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex/gender, bisexuals are attracted to both sexes/genders), but rather the individual behind this (ie pansexuals are attracted to geeks, goths, gourds, gryphons, etc)

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:39 pm

Flaming Soul Forces wrote:The LGBT community includes homosexuals, bisexuals and transexuals.
The first two groups have to do with sexual orientation

The first three do.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:1.Why the two issues are put together?

Because this whole thing about sexual and gender identity is an entirely new thing and the more who got on board with it the better. Another theory would be that it was imposed on these people much like people group "Africans" together.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:2.Why should bisexuals and gays belong to the same community and organisation?

I dunno.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:3.What is the point of having flags.Heterosexuals don't have flags.Why should we have flags?

Because flags are pretty and kick ass.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:4.And if flags are needed for some reasons, the current flags were not democratically chosen in a contest but rather just 'prevailed'.So shouldn't there be a new contest with more choices?

Does it really matter?
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:5. What is the purpose of pride parades?

Promote the LGBT cause, have fun, get drunk, etc.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote: It seems to me that the pride parade is something like a carnival, giving the chance to straight people to make fun of LGBT people.

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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:02 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Faolinn wrote:
Think about it. A pansexual likes men and women. Unless humans were to discover an alien race with functional hermaphrodites, it's kind of pointless to come up with another label. :/

No, it isn't. As I explained earlier, they are different terms that share similarities. Bisexuals are attracted to both genders and sexes. Pansexuals are attracted to individuals regardless of sex, gender, and even species. Pansexuals, I have heard them described and I adhere to this description, are gender-blind; Unlike other sexualities, they are not so much caring about the gender or sex(ie homosexuals are attracted to the same sex/gender, heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex/gender, bisexuals are attracted to both sexes/genders), but rather the individual behind this (ie pansexuals are attracted to geeks, goths, gourds, gryphons, etc)

Not all pansexuals are necessarily attracted to different species, though there certainly are quite a few that are. Other than that, yes, I would generally have to agree with all that you have said. I do admit though, I often have trouble coming out to others, not because of guilt or fear of persecution, but of how I know that I'd have to explain this yet again.
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Flaming Soul Forces wrote:The LGBT community includes homosexuals, bisexuals and transexuals.
The first two groups have to do with sexual orientation

The first three do.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:1.Why the two issues are put together?

Because this whole thing about sexual and gender identity is an entirely new thing and the more who got on board with it the better. Another theory would be that it was imposed on these people much like people group "Africans" together.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:2.Why should bisexuals and gays belong to the same community and organisation?

I dunno.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:3.What is the point of having flags.Heterosexuals don't have flags.Why should we have flags?

Because flags are pretty and kick ass.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:4.And if flags are needed for some reasons, the current flags were not democratically chosen in a contest but rather just 'prevailed'.So shouldn't there be a new contest with more choices?

Does it really matter?
Flaming Soul Forces wrote:5. What is the purpose of pride parades?

Promote the LGBT cause, have fun, get drunk, etc.
Flaming Soul Forces wrote: It seems to me that the pride parade is something like a carnival, giving the chance to straight people to make fun of LGBT people.

Circuses give the chance for non-clowns to make fun of clowns.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:03 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Not all pansexuals are necessarily attracted to different species, though there certainly are quite a few that are.

Of course not, but the possibility remains open due to the liberated nature of pansexuality.

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Postby Maurepas » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:07 pm

If you've ever been to Mardi Gras on Bourbon and saw the Westboro Baptist fucks outside the Gaybar with the massive "GOD HATES FAGS!" and "HOMOS GO TO HELL!" etc. posters, you'd get the point of the pride parade that comes later.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:48 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:No, it isn't. As I explained earlier, they are different terms that share similarities. Bisexuals are attracted to both genders and sexes. Pansexuals are attracted to individuals regardless of sex, gender, and even species. Pansexuals, I have heard them described and I adhere to this description, are gender-blind; Unlike other sexualities, they are not so much caring about the gender or sex(ie homosexuals are attracted to the same sex/gender, heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex/gender, bisexuals are attracted to both sexes/genders), but rather the individual behind this (ie pansexuals are attracted to geeks, goths, gourds, gryphons, etc)

Not all pansexuals are necessarily attracted to different species, though there certainly are quite a few that are. Other than that, yes, I would generally have to agree with all that you have said. I do admit though, I often have trouble coming out to others, not because of guilt or fear of persecution, but of how I know that I'd have to explain this yet again.
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The first three do.

Because this whole thing about sexual and gender identity is an entirely new thing and the more who got on board with it the better. Another theory would be that it was imposed on these people much like people group "Africans" together.

I dunno.

Because flags are pretty and kick ass.

Does it really matter?

Promote the LGBT cause, have fun, get drunk, etc.

Circuses give the chance for non-clowns to make fun of clowns.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:55 pm

Threlizdun wrote: :hug: Buffy, how can you make every post so beautiful?

It's the glitter. Adds that extra shine.
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:58 pm

Faolinn wrote:
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I don't think I did. I do, however, think it was very charitable of you to describe what he had as a 'point'.


Think about it. A pansexual likes men and women. Unless humans were to discover an alien race with functional hermaphrodites, it's kind of pointless to come up with another label. :/


Not at all. A pansexual is attracted to the individual, NOT the gender. It isn't about liking men and women, its about not giving a damn if one is not the other. A bisexual is attracted to either men or women. This says nothing about any of the other genders which are slowly becoming more known in the public eye.
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Postby Faolinn » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:15 am

Distruzio wrote:
Faolinn wrote:
Think about it. A pansexual likes men and women. Unless humans were to discover an alien race with functional hermaphrodites, it's kind of pointless to come up with another label. :/


Not at all. A pansexual is attracted to the individual, NOT the gender. It isn't about liking men and women, its about not giving a damn if one is not the other. A bisexual is attracted to either men or women. This says nothing about any of the other genders which are slowly becoming more known in the public eye.


I'm somewhat offended that you suggest that us heterosexuals are not attracted personalities. I am specifically attracted to women, but I cannot love a woman who I do not love the personality of as well.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:44 am

Faolinn wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Not at all. A pansexual is attracted to the individual, NOT the gender. It isn't about liking men and women, its about not giving a damn if one is not the other. A bisexual is attracted to either men or women. This says nothing about any of the other genders which are slowly becoming more known in the public eye.


I'm somewhat offended that you suggest that us heterosexuals are not attracted personalities. I am specifically attracted to women, but I cannot love a woman who I do not love the personality of as well.


If you identify hetero-, then the FIRST thing you attend is the gender of the person you are looking at. If you are pan-, you do not.
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Postby Faolinn » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:49 am

That term I identify seems strange to me. I don't "identify as".I am.

Also, I don't imagine a bisexual would. They like both so why would they?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:06 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Curse those queers and their godless understanding of which number is bigger.


Math is gay.

It's like numerical orgy soup. Bi-sect this. Tri-angle that.

Jesus would not have approved.

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