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Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:2. Because objectification of the oppressed class encourages and magnifies oppression. Objectification of a non-oppressed class does no such thing.

Only wank over pictures of guys, got it.

Gladia wrote:I'm still wondering why it is that, on average, men are sentenced to 40% more time then women¹, and that women don't have to register for selective service². Riddle me that FST.

1. Because of the sexist belief that women are more emotionally fragile and delicate than men, and therefore have less control of themselves.

2. Because of the rather sexist belief that women are the weaker sex and are in need of male protection.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:1. Why? How are women the oppressed class?
2. Why?

1. Because it's a patriarchy, not a matriarchy.

2. Because objectification of the oppressed class encourages and magnifies oppression. Objectification of a non-oppressed class does no such thing.

I don't feel objectified when my boyfriend masturbates. Pretty sure most girls just don't give a shit.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:1. Because it's a patriarchy, not a matriarchy.

Uh-oh. Sexist FST quote time!

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

Unless its medicinal.
Wat?

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And gay men.

And how do you counter this?

First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

Second, objectifying men as also not great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the former.

So are you saying that if you were living in say some African tribes or ones in south Asia where men are or were historically the "oppressed" class you would be arguing against women masturbating instead of men?

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

It seems like you're addicted to our responses to your anti-sex stance. This is healthy?

Saint Jade IV wrote:

Gladia wrote:I'm still wondering why it is that, on average, men are sentenced to 40% more time then women¹, and that women don't have to register for selective service². Riddle me that FST.

1. Because of the sexist belief that women are more emotionally fragile and delicate than men, and therefore have less control of themselves.

2. Because of the rather sexist belief that women are the weaker sex and are in need of male protection.

1: So, what's commonly a male judge sentencing a male to more prison time is because of sexism? So much for a patriarchy.

2: So how does this oppress women? It favors them, not puts them at a disadvantage.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

So you're saying someone who has sex once is physically and mentally incapable of not having sex ever again ?

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Women also masturbate.

Nowhere near as much as men.

And your source for this statement is....?

Gladia wrote:I'm still wondering why it is that, on average, men are sentenced to 40% more time then women

Because of the correct opinion that they commit more crimes, and the flawed solution of longer incarceration as some kind of deterrent.

and that women don't have to register for selective service. Riddle me that FST.

I would say that this is less oppressive than significantly decreased lifetime earnings and a cultural hegemony that largely relies on sniping at women to advertise to them but let's move on from this.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

You mean heroin? Or are you talking about women here?

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

And why is that bad?

We compulsively "abuse" posting on an online forum every time, as shown by my almost 20k posts.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Yes, this is about masturbation. Does anybody agree with me that masturbation is a sexist activity that involves the objectification of women?

Women masturbate. Gay men masturbate. Zoos masturbate too. Additionally, there does not necessarily need to be a visual or mental stimulus to masturbate. When I started masturbating, I had no idea what it even was; it just felt damn good.

Does anybody else find the excuse that men "need" sex in the same way we need food to be laughably pathetic?

Not laughably pathetic, but not correct either. Then again, I know few who would say they need sex as much as food.

1. Masturbation involves thoughts 99% of the time. These thoughts are sexual. If a heterosexual male masturbates, does this not involve him objectifying women within his mind? How do we know that this won't lead to worse consequences later on? If he can masturbate and therefore objectify fantasy women, how long is it before he objectifies real women? How long is it until he rationalizes and excuses date rape? Where does it stop?

Is this a confession, Herr Triangles, that you masturbate enough that you know from personal experience how often it involves objectifying thought? If not, from where did you get this information? Incidentally, when I masturbated, I enjoyed thinking about tactile stimulation that was not intrinsically sexual more than I did pink bits. We know this doesn't lead to worse consequences later on because even very young children masturbate in a fashion. It can actually be expected.

2. Do humans "need" sexual "release" in any meaningful way? I don't know, that one sounds like bullshit to me.

Most do, in the same way they need social release, love, and goals in life. Sex does a lot for both our minds and bodies; it's one of the most personally complex things we engage in.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

I'm sorry, but ejaculation is entirely natural and healthy. It's been proven to increase your health, and if you're not taking out the old semen, your body is going to do it for you. It is not abuse by any standard.

Unilisia wrote:I don't feel objectified when my boyfriend masturbates.

Lot's of blacks in the old south didn't have a problem with slavery.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

No, I can honestly say that sex is nothing like heroin.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Dyakovo wrote: Just because someone masturbates does not .mean they are addicted to sex.

Sex is like heroine. Any use is abuse.

No, sex and heroin are very different.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Unilisia wrote:I don't feel objectified when my boyfriend masturbates.

Lot's of blacks in the old south didn't have a problem with slavery.

What.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Unilisia wrote:I don't feel objectified when my boyfriend masturbates.

Lot's of blacks in the old south didn't have a problem with slavery.

...

Apparently, masturbation equals slavery.

Norstal wrote:

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
First, since women are the oppressed class, objectifying women is qualitatively different than objectifying men.

That implies women are lesser than men. Though they might be oppressed, objectifying women should be no different than objectifying men.

Me masturbating (and hence objectifying if we are to assume your thesis) to the Jews in concentration camps during the 1940s doesn't make me masturbating to the Germans any different during the same time period.

I'm reposting this. Objectifying an oppressed class isn't different in any way than objectifying the suppressing class.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Unilisia wrote:I don't feel objectified when my boyfriend masturbates.

Lot's of blacks in the old south didn't have a problem with slavery.

In the United States, women aren't enslaved on average, unless she's into that.

Gladia wrote:

Saint Jade IV wrote:
1. Because of the sexist belief that women are more emotionally fragile and delicate than men, and therefore have less control of themselves.

2. Because of the rather sexist belief that women are the weaker sex and are in need of male protection.

1: So, what's commonly a male judge sentencing a male to more prison time is because of sexism? So much for a patriarchy.

It's not so much that a male judge is sentencing a male to more prison time, it's that the male judge is sentencing females to less prison time, because he things the little women probably just got a but upset or confused or something and just didn't know what she was doing.

Some good defence lawyers may also play on this.

2: So how does this oppress women? It favors them, not puts them at a disadvantage.

Whether or not it oppresses anyone has little to no bearing on whether or not the motivation is sexist.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Unilisia wrote:I don't feel objectified when my boyfriend masturbates.

Lot's of blacks in the old south didn't have a problem with slavery.

Neither did lots of Slavs in the Kul system with the Ottomans, seeing as they could achieve great wealth and power. What's your point? Last time I checked, the majority of women were not bought and sold as commodities anymore in the western world. Hasn't been that way for some time, really.