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Posted: **Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:46 pm**

I don't see that exactly, just that he wants to keep the SCOTUS from being able to declare State laws unconstitutional, and that Congress can override Federal decisions. In other words, tyranny of the states.

Posted: **Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:03 am**

Death Metal wrote:I don't see that exactly, just that he wants to keep the SCOTUS from being able to declare State laws unconstitutional, and that Congress can override Federal decisions. In other words, tyranny of the states.

If states have the authority to invade your privacy with impunity, then it cannot be said that you have a constitutionally protected right to privacy.

Posted: **Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:56 pm**

51st State of the Moon wrote:I have one question About Ronnie. Does he really want to cut every government institute besides the Main Government Branches and the Military?

He wants to cut those too. He just doesn't want to completely kill them off.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:05 pm**

United Dependencies wrote:
51st State of the Moon wrote:I have one question About Ronnie. Does he really want to cut every government institute besides the Main Government Branches and the Military?

He wants to cut those too. He just doesn't want to completely kill them off.

Yet.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:55 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:He wants to cut those too. He just doesn't want to completely kill them off.

Yet.

He probably wants to strengthen the national guard at the expense of our expeditionary branches.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:49 pm**

New Conglomerate wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Yet.

He probably wants to strengthen the national guard at the expense of our expeditionary branches.

And if we ever do need to resolve a conflict outside our borders, he'll let a PMC handle it. Because you know, that worked so well in Iraq.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:27 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
New Conglomerate wrote:He probably wants to strengthen the national guard at the expense of our expeditionary branches.

And if we ever do need to resolve a conflict outside our borders, he'll let a PMC handle it. Because you know, that worked so well in Iraq.

I...highly doubt that. I'm reasonably certain (and I have no proof for this statement) Paul falls under the libertarian category that reserves the use of force to the government alone.
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And after doing google searches for "Ron Paul" and four or five variations of PMCs, I can find nothing. *shrug*

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:07 pm**

Try "Ron Paul Letters of Marque".

EDIT- Short version of what you'll find, Ron Paul supports the use of the Letters of Marque clause in the constitution that allows contractors to do combat operations for us. So it's not inconceivable that he would send a PMC to a war zone, but in active combat which they weren't allowed to do (officially) in Iraq.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:15 am**

Death Metal wrote:I don't see that exactly, just that he wants to keep the SCOTUS from being able to declare State laws unconstitutional, and that Congress can override Federal decisions. In other words, tyranny of the states.

Interesting. Rick Perry had the same idea (or rather, whoever thinks of stuff for him to say had the same idea) - it was part of his proposed "improvements" to the Constitution, like repealing the Income Tax and ending popular election of Senators. Yeah! Gilded Age II, here we come!

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:57 pm**

All I want is for Ron Paul and Obama to have a debate about foreign policy and civil liberties. Obama needs to be challenged on both of those issues, but other than those RP is completely out of touch.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:32 pm**

Shadowlandistan wrote:All I want is for Ron Paul and Obama to have a debate about foreign policy and civil liberties. Obama needs to be challenged on both of those issues, but other than those RP is completely out of touch.

Ron Paul is not all that in touch in regards to foreign policy and civil liberties either.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:54 pm**

Ron Paul doesn't want civil liberties, he just wants the states to be able to take away civil liberties.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:56 pm**

Death Metal wrote:Ron Paul doesn't want civil liberties, he just wants the states to be able to take away civil liberties.

Except where he explicitly states he wants civil liberties.

I'd say the state's rights is at least a small element of pandering, since with exception to abortion, he has strongly stated that he supports those civil liberties entirely, but you see him add in Republican debates "if states want it", whereas in interviews it tends to be outright.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:02 pm**

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Ron Paul doesn't want civil liberties, he just wants the states to be able to take away civil liberties.

Except where he explicitly states he wants civil liberties.

I'd say the state's rights is at least a small element of pandering, since with exception to abortion, he has strongly stated that he supports those civil liberties entirely, but you see him add in Republican debates "if states want it", whereas in interviews it tends to be outright.

Is that why he had a fit when the Supreme Court ruled Sodomy Laws unconstitutional or why he strongly supports DOMA?

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:01 pm**

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Ron Paul doesn't want civil liberties, he just wants the states to be able to take away civil liberties.

Except where he explicitly states he wants civil liberties.

He says it maybe. But his actions show that those words are lies and deceit.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:09 pm**

Revolutopia wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:Except where he explicitly states he wants civil liberties.

I'd say the state's rights is at least a small element of pandering, since with exception to abortion, he has strongly stated that he supports those civil liberties entirely, but you see him add in Republican debates "if states want it", whereas in interviews it tends to be outright.

Is that why he had a fit when the Supreme Court ruled Sodomy Laws unconstitutional or why he strongly supports DOMA?

The Illuminati Lizardmen brainwashed him briefly to make him look like he was against freedom so their puppets would look better, obviously.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:42 pm**

the spending of the military is not problem, the problem is we do not have a very good taxes base the american ppl are not working very good so how can ppl pay taxes when there jobs dont pay good money and the cost of living is high…Ron paul is stupid…if america stoped policing asia,,asia would fall to the biggest military power and who is that,( COMMUNIST CHINA ) and what did are great grandfather’s fight for in WWll stop japan form taking asia over and china will when the time is right

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:58 am**

The economy wouldn't matter with Paul because he would try to completely eradicate national income tax completely. And default on our debt because his cuts, as overdramatic as they are, still won't be enough to keep us out of debt long enough to keep us from voting on the debt ceiling again.

But he can just pander with his "SOPA BAD! TAXES BAD! POT GOOD!" bullshit and his sheep will vote for him even though every single possible outcome of his economic plan will lead to utter ruin.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:42 am**

Hey, even more interesting news about old Ronny's connection with groups with interesting ideas about race and everything. But, truly despite this and his newsletters Ron Paul is still not a racist or anything.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:37 am**

Oh man. This made my fucking week.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:57 am**

Revolutopia wrote:Hey, even more interesting news about old Ronny's connection with groups with interesting ideas about race and everything. But, truly despite this and his newsletters Ron Paul is still not a racist or anything.

It's sad how many people just complacently buy into the propaganda of the Illuminati Lizardmen.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:52 am**

Revolutopia wrote:Hey, even more interesting news about old Ronny's connection with groups with interesting ideas about race and everything. But, truly despite this and his newsletters Ron Paul is still not a racist or anything.

Good work anonymous! I'm really loving anon lately. If ron paul is still involved with these people directly then it needs to be exposed. Same with any other candidate.

This is the type of evidence that is needed. Ongoing affiliation by choice. Not decades old newsletters.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:18 am**

Revolutopia wrote:Hey, even more interesting news about old Ronny's connection with groups with interesting ideas about race and everything. But, truly despite this and his newsletters Ron Paul is still not a racist or anything.

Ahahahaa this is frickin' beautiful; something like this had to come out eventually.

The aPaulogists are so pissed about this, it's great! Found the link at /r/ronpaul, which is a godawful place where I also discovered that the guys who founded PayPal donated to Paul's political circus act. Af if PayPal wasn't terrible enough already.

I hope this sinks Ron Paul forever, but somehow, I doubt it. This should, at the very least, make people think twice about supporting this awful, awful man and his horrible policies.

Also, look at how goddamn clueless most of this is:

Any gangsta, who would like to get a decent job, Ron Paul is your only hope that minimum wage laws might be eliminated so that some businessman will give you a break and hire you at a low wage in an entry level position. Rather than your slinging dope and risking getting shot or jail time. You should vote for Ron Paul.
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It's a damn injustice to all blacks when Reason, Cato, Ed Crane and WaPo fail to present the truth about a Ron Paul presidency and what it would mean for the black community. Ron Paul is the best thing that could happen to Black America, and these evil bastards know it.

Jesus.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:20 am**

The Merchant Republics wrote:Except where he explicitly states he wants civil liberties.

I'd say the state's rights is at least a small element of pandering, since with exception to abortion, he has strongly stated that he supports those civil liberties entirely, but you see him add in Republican debates "if states want it", whereas in interviews it tends to be outright.

he must have been pandering for a really, really long time then, since he's been proposing the "We the People Act" for years.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:39 pm**

Revolutopia wrote:Hey, even more interesting news about old Ronny's connection with groups with interesting ideas about race and everything. But, truly despite this and his newsletters Ron Paul is still not a racist or anything.

my son was telling me about this. OOPS its probably best not to expect anything to be private on tbe internet not even private messages and emails.

noooo RP is totally not a racist. how could he be? noooooooo

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