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Rehabilitation
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:28 pmby The Multiversal Species Alliance
I have a question for you: which do you think is more effective in regards to crime prevention and treatment and why, a system in which rehabilitation is stressed as in Norway, or, a system in which punishment is stressed as in the U.S. or the PRC?
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:28 pmby Farnhamia
The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:I have a question for you: which do you think is more effective in regards to crime prevention and treatment and why, a system in which rehabilitation is stressed as in Norway, or, a system in which punishment is stressed as in the U.S. or the PRC?
What do you think? It is polite to give your opinion.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:29 pmby Beldonia
Farnhamia wrote:The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:I have a question for you: which do you think is more effective in regards to crime prevention and treatment and why, a system in which rehabilitation is stressed as in Norway, or, a system in which punishment is stressed as in the U.S. or the PRC?
What do you think? It is polite to give your opinion.
I've noticed more people than usual have been forgetting that of late.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:29 pmby Free Georgizm
A good justice system will have a decent mixture of both.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:30 pmby Yootwopia
Rehabilitation is obviously better than just punishing people, if you disagree it's because you're a horrible person. Fact.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:31 pmby Mike the Progressive
Incarceration in the US is a problem, not because we punish those who commit crimes, but because we have some many laws which result in people becoming imprisoned.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:32 pmby Ifreann
Yootwopia wrote:Rehabilitation is obviously better than just punishing people, if you disagree it's because you're a horrible person. Fact.
This, essentially.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:32 pmby Ryan12
i learned in a college class that most prisons are now contract prisons
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:33 pmby Luziyca
Personally, I prefer rehabilitation, but I feel punishment is the only way forward for any nation, as stressed by the DPRK...
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:34 pmby Chersonesus
Mike the Progressive wrote:Incarceration in the US is a problem, not because we punish those who commit crimes, but because we have some many laws which result in people becoming imprisoned.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:34 pmby Jolleus
I think punishment is more effective and cheap in the short run, but if you want to improve society overall in the long run you need to stress rehab. Then again, you could just kill all convicted felons. Bullets are cheaper than meals and housing, and it certainly improves the gene pool... and makes people really think about whether or not they want to go mug/kill someone.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:34 pmby Yootwopia
Free Georgizm wrote:A good justice system will have a decent mixture of both.
PROTIP: Totally lacking freedom of movement and a choice as to who you associate with is actually pretty heavy punishment.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:34 pmby Farnhamia
Yootwopia wrote:Rehabilitation is obviously better than just punishing people, if you disagree it's because you're a horrible person. Fact.
And you should be punished.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:35 pmby Chersonesus
Ryan12 wrote:i learned in a college class that most prisons are now contract prisons
Did they teach you that sentences begin with a capital letter and end with punctuation?
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:35 pmby Mike the Progressive
Chersonesus wrote:Mike the Progressive wrote:Incarceration in the US is a problem, not because we punish those who commit crimes, but because we have some many laws which result in people becoming imprisoned.
That doesn't really disprove what I said....
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:35 pmby Mike the Progressive
Ryan12 wrote:i learned in a college class that most prisons are now contract prisons
Well if you learned it in a college class, it has to be true.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:35 pmby Ifreann
Chersonesus wrote:Mike the Progressive wrote:Incarceration in the US is a problem, not because we punish those who commit crimes, but because we have some many laws which result in people becoming imprisoned.
And yet...
Mike the Progressive wrote:That doesn't really disprove what I said....
Probably because he agrees with you.....
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:36 pmby Solanum-Blaatone
Norway hands down.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:36 pmby Chersonesus
Mike the Progressive wrote:That doesn't really disprove what I said....
I wasn't trying to refute what you were saying, I was agreeing with the statement,
''but because we have some many laws which result in people becoming imprisoned''.
What we think
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:36 pmby Kingdom Republic
The kingdom republic has harsh punishments to people who commit felonies, if you commit a felony it puts you in the Military automatically for 15 months of service.
We believe if your willing to hurt your country and/or its people with a felony charge, we think you should help repair it by being in the military defending it while it heals.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:37 pmby Farnhamia
Ryan12 wrote:i learned in a college class that most prisons are now contract prisons
Go ask the person teaching the class for some sources, please. Mention NSG, watch them quail.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:37 pmby Yootwopia
Kingdom Republic wrote:The kingdom republic has harsh punishments to people who commit felonies, if you commit a felony it puts you in the Military automatically for 15 months of service.
We believe if your willing to hurt your country and/or its people with a felony charge, we think you should help repair it by being in the military defending it while it heals.
NSG is not IC.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:38 pmby Free Georgizm
Yootwopia wrote:Free Georgizm wrote:A good justice system will have a decent mixture of both.
PROTIP: Totally lacking freedom of movement and a choice as to who you associate with is actually pretty heavy punishment.
Yes, yes it is.
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:38 pmby Mike the Progressive
Kingdom Republic wrote:The kingdom republic has harsh punishments to people who commit felonies, if you commit a felony it puts you in the Military automatically for 15 months of service.
We believe if your willing to hurt your country and/or its people with a felony charge, we think you should help repair it by being in the military defending it while it heals.
See for us, if you murder somebody, you get a dollar. If you litter, we cut off your penis.
But seriously, wrong forum
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:38 pmby Neo Arcad
IMO, it's much more important to deter future criminals from committing crimes through widespread knowledge of harsh punishment than it is to try and make criminals into good people. I mean, anyone can FAKE good behavior and get off on parole. How many of those guys do you think will actually become productive members of society? I'd say less than half of them, if I recall some figures I saw a few years ago on the subject. I'll try to find them and post 'em here, but until then I won't say any concrete number. Anyway, the point is, if they don't committ the crime in the first place, it saves the state a lot of trouble, time, and money; prevents crime; etcetera. There's no way to totally eliminate crime, but this is as close as you'll get.
