Do liberals want to turn America into Europe?

[RoI2]

It's not gonna happen with modern politics, pure and simple. And Leftism isn't the correct path.

It is. That way the yanks can catch up with the rest of the western world.

I lol'd.

Why? Do you like the fact that your country is behind the rest of us?

[RoI2]

Yeah, that's not going to happen with all these Obamano pinkos running around, sadly.

It's not gonna happen with all these conservative arseholes running around fucking things up.

C'mon, you two, quit swapping slogans and try actual debate: maybe you'll change somebody's mind instead of just riling them for no reason.

I doubt it.

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

Anyone who supports outlawing guns is a tyrant. Because number one we just don`t need guns to defend ourslves from Criminals but also from the Goverment.

No we don't want to turn America into Europe and if we did what's your problem? We have lower teen pregnancy rates, lower drug abuse rates, (slightly) lower crime rates and the UK's life expectancy is 2 years more than yours, but what's this? We have the evil socialist NHS!!!

[The Grand World Order]

It's not gonna happen with modern politics, pure and simple. And Leftism isn't the correct path.

It is. That way the yanks can catch up with the rest of the western world.

I lol'd.

Why? Do you like the fact that your country is behind the rest of us?

Behind, yeah, behind because the government pussyfoots everything and gives free handouts to people who need to get the hell of their asses and work.

And it's rather funny that Canada, perhaps the forefront of this whole "MAKE AMERICA CIVILIZED HUR HUR HUR" movement, is in reality vying to go back to pre-socialism standards.

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

[Risottia]

Nah, no worries. The USA doesn't meet the requirement to join the EC. But who knows, maybe later?

Dunno: the US debt is greater than the sum of the debts of Italy and Spain, iirc. Way off Maastricht requirements.

[RoI2]

It's not gonna happen with modern politics, pure and simple. And Leftism isn't the correct path.

It is. That way the yanks can catch up with the rest of the western world.

I lol'd.

Why? Do you like the fact that your country is behind the rest of us?

Behind, yeah, behind because the government pussyfoots everything and gives free handouts to people who need to get the hell of their asses and work.

Allot of people cannot find work//have disabilities/have jobs that don't pay well enough for them to survive - it is the government's responsibility to look after these people.

And it's rather funny that Canada, perhaps the forefront of this whole "MAKE AMERICA CIVILIZED HUR HUR HUR" movement, is in reality vying to go back to pre-socialism standards.

What?

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

What does this have to do with anything? "Let's take it bake to the 1800s when Britain dominated the world". You see? It makes no sense.

[North Suran]

Yes. Specifically, Eastern Europe. Between 1945 and 1989.

And now that there's at least one admitted Communist in the Obamunist regime, namely Van Jones, and most likely many others, that possiblity is closer than ever to realization.

Hmm, I'm not sure if any liberals (that I personally know of) actually favour socialism in the form of Eastern Europe in 1945-1989. I know that's the implicit/explicit fear of many uninformed Americans, but most democratic-socialist leaning lefties (myself included) are working towards the socialism of Western Europe, 21st century (ex: Norway, Sweden, etc) and not the failed USSR + friends states.

Don't crush New Mitanni's dream!

How will he be able to carry on fighting against the Ebil Athaist Muslim Commie Obama and his insidious plans to turn the nation into the USSA if people point out his blatant bullshit?

[Ryadn]

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

Hmm... now WHAT could have happened just before the 1950's that would put Western Europe at a temporary economic disadvantage? No, no, let me think...

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

It's not gonna happen with modern politics, pure and simple. And Leftism isn't the correct path.

It is. That way the yanks can catch up with the rest of the western world.

I lol'd.

Why? Do you like the fact that your country is behind the rest of us?

Behind, yeah, behind because the government pussyfoots everything and gives free handouts to people who need to get the hell of their asses and work.

Allot of people cannot find work//have disabilities/have jobs that don't pay well enough for them to survive - it is the government's responsibility to look after these people.

And it's rather funny that Canada, perhaps the forefront of this whole "MAKE AMERICA CIVILIZED HUR HUR HUR" movement, is in reality vying to go back to pre-socialism standards.

What?

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

What does this have to do with anything? "Let's take it bake to the 1800s when Britain dominated the world". You see? It makes no sense.

I love when people like NNLDI do this and degrade everything a poster has said quote by quote, it's cool. Why is America right wing compared to the rest of the world? Your TV isn't great either

[RoI2]

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

Hmm... now WHAT could have happened just before the 1950's that would put Western Europe at a temporary economic disadvantage? No, no, let me think...

Fighting two world wars all the way through ?

[Ryadn]

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

Hmm... now WHAT could have happened just before the 1950's that would put Western Europe at a temporary economic disadvantage? No, no, let me think...

Fighting two world wars all the way through ?

Aww, man! It was on the tip of my tongue!

[RoI2]

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

Hmm... now WHAT could have happened just before the 1950's that would put Western Europe at a temporary economic disadvantage? No, no, let me think...

Fighting two world wars all the way through ?

Aww, man! It was on the tip of my tongue!

[The Grand World Order]

It's not gonna happen with modern politics, pure and simple. And Leftism isn't the correct path.

It is. That way the yanks can catch up with the rest of the western world.

I lol'd.

Why? Do you like the fact that your country is behind the rest of us?

Behind, yeah, behind because the government pussyfoots everything and gives free handouts to people who need to get the hell of their asses and work.

Allot of people cannot find work//have disabilities/have jobs that don't pay well enough for them to survive - it is the government's responsibility to look after these people.

And it's rather funny that Canada, perhaps the forefront of this whole "MAKE AMERICA CIVILIZED HUR HUR HUR" movement, is in reality vying to go back to pre-socialism standards.

What?

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

What does this have to do with anything? "Let's take it bake to the 1800s when Britain dominated the world". You see? It makes no sense.

1: And do you know how many people on Welfare actually are disabled? Few. And I'll agree, those who honestly cannot work should get Welfare, but the majority of those who are on it here in the US are not.
2: Never mind.
3: If you'll notice, both of these civilizations were rather right-wing... the fact that you didn't see the connection came as a surprise to me.

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

Hmm... now WHAT could have happened just before the 1950's that would put Western Europe at a temporary economic disadvantage? No, no, let me think...

And by the late 1950's, they were already up thanks to US handouts. Socialism didn't save them.

Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

Also, the Soviet Union, while it wasn't economically sound, still had LOTS of power.

[North Suran]

3: If you'll notice, both of these civilizations were rather right-wing... the fact that you didn't see the connection came as a surprise to me.

So we should just go back to having Empires, then?

And by the late 1950's, they were already up thanks to US handouts. Socialism didn't save them.


Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

The US fought from 1942-1945.

Great Britain and France fought from 1939-1945.

Furthermore, I do not recall America being invaded and occupied by the Third Reich.

Nor indeed, do I remember America being blitzed to shit by the Luftwaffe.

[North Suran]

Also, the Soviet Union, while it wasn't economically sound, still had LOTS of power.

You do know what the Soviet Union is, right?

Because I cannot possibly see how this supports any of your argument.

[RoI2]

1: And do you know how many people on Welfare actually are disabled? Few. And I'll agree, those who honestly cannot work should get Welfare, but the majority of those who are on it here in the US are not.

We.Are.In.A.Recession. There are fuck all jobs going and allot of jobs do not pay enough for healthcare, let alone food.

3: If you'll notice, both of these civilizations were rather right-wing... the fact that you didn't see the connection came as a surprise to me.

Or maybe it was that they both had access to allot of natural resources? Or that the yanks made money off of the Europeans in WW2?

Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

You fought for less time than us. We fought 2 world wars. And no, it wasn't. We were crippled.

[The Grand World Order]

3: If you'll notice, both of these civilizations were rather right-wing... the fact that you didn't see the connection came as a surprise to me.

So we should just go back to having Empires, then?

And by the late 1950's, they were already up thanks to US handouts. Socialism didn't save them.


Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

The US fought from 1942-1945.

Great Britain and France fought from 1939-1945.

Furthermore, I do not recall America being invaded and occupied by the Third Reich.

Nor indeed, do I remember America being blitzed to shit by the Luftwaffe.

Wow, my post just totally flew over your head, now didn't it?


Empires... I'd much rather live in the British Empire than today's cesspool of liberalism that has replaced America.

[Allbeama]

Liberals really want something called equality. Bottom line, that's what I want at least. Social and Political equality. Since its been mentioned, one thing I do not want is for citizens to lose the right to bear arms. I view this as an essential freedom. A person can't say "oh you're a liberal/democrat/socialist/whatever! You want to take my guns away!" this is in my view nothing more than stereotyping.

Now is that what you believe is attainable through stealing people's hard-earned money and giving it to the lazy, or is that what liberal trendiness wants you to think?

lolmessingaround, sine heer x__________

Let me put it this way: those who can work, should. Those who are disabled, elderly, or just plain got f--ked over by, say getting laid off, should get assistance. Those who cannot afford health insurance should be provided with a means to obtain it. Corporations shouldn't be allowed to engage in anti-competition practices to benefit from long term high prices, workers should have the right to unionize, and special interest groups shouldn't buy politicians. These are just some things I see as necessary. White text has also been noted.

[The Grand World Order]

1: And do you know how many people on Welfare actually are disabled? Few. And I'll agree, those who honestly cannot work should get Welfare, but the majority of those who are on it here in the US are not.

We.Are.In.A.Recession. There are fuck all jobs going and allot of jobs do not pay enough for healthcare, let alone food.

3: If you'll notice, both of these civilizations were rather right-wing... the fact that you didn't see the connection came as a surprise to me.

Or maybe it was that they both had access to allot of natural resources? Or that the yanks made money off of the Europeans in WW2?

Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

You fought for less time than us. We fought 2 world wars. And no, it wasn't. We were crippled.

1: Yes, and taxing the hell out of people for your socialist policies is REALLY GONNA WORK, HURP DURP. Wow, that was mind-numbing.
2: Made money off of Europe? I'd have to look into that, but IIRC we actually paid Europe so much money, along with Japan.
3: Do you not understand the concept of "relatively?" If you look at, say, the USSR, France, Japan, or pretty much any other nation that was fully involved, Britain came out a lot better.

[North Suran]

3: If you'll notice, both of these civilizations were rather right-wing... the fact that you didn't see the connection came as a surprise to me.

So we should just go back to having Empires, then?

And by the late 1950's, they were already up thanks to US handouts. Socialism didn't save them.


Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

The US fought from 1942-1945.

Great Britain and France fought from 1939-1945.

Furthermore, I do not recall America being invaded and occupied by the Third Reich.

Nor indeed, do I remember America being blitzed to shit by the Luftwaffe.

Wow, my post just totally flew over your head, now didn't it?


Empires... I'd much rather live in the British Empire than today's cesspool of liberalism that has replaced America.

Nah; your lack of correlation with reality smacked right into my forehead in the shape of a palm.

And you are saying that you'd rather live in a corrupt, bureacratic Empire which denied the franchise to a majority of the populace, kept control in the hands of decadent landlords and aristocratics, had a Monarchy with substantial powers and allowed poverty to flourish in the deprived regions of Britain while it wasted finance on Imperialist annexations and Colonialism?

[Louis Van Boxel Woolf]

You consider your country liberal!? You'll find us brits communist...
Do you prefer this over wikipedia?
http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

[Ryadn]

Let's take it back to the 1950's, when America simply dominated Western Europe...

Hmm... now WHAT could have happened just before the 1950's that would put Western Europe at a temporary economic disadvantage? No, no, let me think...

And by the late 1950's, they were already up thanks to US handouts. Socialism didn't save them.

Furthermore, the US fought in the war as well... and if you're trying to do the whole "BUT THEY AREN'T PART OF WESTERN EUROPE" thing, if you'll note that Britain, while I do know it took damage, it still was RELATIVELY intact by the end of the war.

Now it's the 'late' 1950's.

By 'relatively intact' you mean there were still buildings standing? Well, yes. Clearly, a country with a population less than 1/3 the size of the U.S. at the time that suffered under the blitz for nine months and fought a war for five years ought to have rebounded rather quickly. Those lazy socialists. Were the Brits socialists in the 1950's? Oh, it doesn't matter, I suppose---they were socialists in their hearts!

[North Suran]

2: Made money off of Europe? I'd have to look into that, but IIRC we actually paid Europe so much money, along with Japan.

Do you think the USA supplied Great Britain with military and food supplies for free?

Hell no.

While the UK was barely fighting off a Fascist Empire, the Americans were making a killing at our expense.

But hey, that's probably the American way in your opinion!

And furthermore, since you're an outed Fascist, you were probably dissapointed by the outcome of the whole war.

3: Do you not understand the concept of "relatively?" If you look at, say, the USSR, France, Japan, or pretty much any other nation that was fully involved, Britain came out a lot better.

You don't have to be nuked to have your infrastructure destroyed.

[Ryadn]

Empires... I'd much rather live in the British Empire than today's cesspool of liberalism that has replaced America.

Wow. The irony of that statement is just so... ironic.

[North Suran]

Empires... I'd much rather live in the British Empire than today's cesspool of liberalism that has replaced America.

Wow. The irony of that statement is just so... ironic.

You are arguing with a Fascist.