Herman Cain drops out of presidential race

[Raleigh]

Indeed.

Some thoughts on the Republican race from today's Times.

did you feel while reading that article that krugman wasnt telling you anything you didnt already know?

I think the majority of the population has an unstated understanding of the GOP primaries right now.

[Farnhamia]

did you feel while reading that article that krugman wasnt telling you anything you didnt already know?

I think the majority of the population has an unstated understanding of the GOP primaries right now.

One would think so, and yet millions of them are going to vote for one or the other of the candidates in the primaries and in the general election.

[Ashmoria]

did you feel while reading that article that krugman wasnt telling you anything you didnt already know?

I suppose. Still, it needs saying and he said it concisely.

for sure

it needed someone with credentials to rub it in the faces of the republican party.

[Raleigh]

I think the majority of the population has an unstated understanding of the GOP primaries right now.

One would think so, and yet millions of them are going to vote for one or the other of the candidates in the primaries and in the general election.

Well anyone who isn't caught up in the primaries can see that it is all rather premature and silly.

[Farnhamia]

One would think so, and yet millions of them are going to vote for one or the other of the candidates in the primaries and in the general election.

Well anyone who isn't caught up in the primaries can see that it is all rather premature and silly.

How's it premature?

[Raleigh]

Well anyone who isn't caught up in the primaries can see that it is all rather premature and silly.

How's it premature?

mumble mumble....

Ok I guess I'm speaking from a month or two back.

[Farnhamia]

How's it premature?

mumble mumble....

Ok I guess I'm speaking from a month or two back.

That's okay, we all have these ... lapses. I slept through much of the 9th century BCE.

[Raleigh]

mumble mumble....

Ok I guess I'm speaking from a month or two back.

That's okay, we all have these ... lapses. I slept through much of the 9th century BCE.

I still feel like we're all aware of this cycle that the not-Romneys seem to be following.

[Ashmoria]

That's okay, we all have these ... lapses. I slept through much of the 9th century BCE.

I still feel like we're all aware of this cycle that the not-Romneys seem to be following.

we are but it seems that the repubican base isnt really aware of how awful all the candidates are or, more importantly, WHY there are only sucky candidates.

[Raleigh]

I still feel like we're all aware of this cycle that the not-Romneys seem to be following.

we are but it seems that the repubican base isnt really aware of how awful all the candidates are or, more importantly, WHY there are only sucky candidates.

Well I imagine the republicans who were aware probably jumped ship.

[Farnhamia]

I still feel like we're all aware of this cycle that the not-Romneys seem to be following.

we are but it seems that the repubican base isnt really aware of how awful all the candidates are or, more importantly, WHY there are only sucky candidates.

That, I think, is because the reason is them. Who else but the base is forcing all the candidates so far right they can't even see Barry Goldwater from where they are? Who else but the base is so crazy that candidates with a lick of sense wouldn't touch this election with a ten-foot pole?

[Farnhamia]

we are but it seems that the repubican base isnt really aware of how awful all the candidates are or, more importantly, WHY there are only sucky candidates.

Well I imagine the republicans who were aware probably jumped ship.

Or are hiding, or are holding their noses and praying that someone not insane decides to run.

[Serrland]

Well I imagine the republicans who were aware probably jumped ship.

Or are hiding, or are holding their noses and praying that someone not insane decides to run.

I consider myself one of those Republicans. I voted for Obama in 08. I'll vote for him again in 2012 if he's up against anyone but Huntsman (who I'll vote for in the primary, if he's still in the race by that point, which is unlikely).

We (meaning moderate Republicans) have to realize that only by being truly and utterly humiliated will the Party abandon its suicidal dive to the right. God knows trying to support moderate positions within the Party hasn't been working. Here's to an Obama landslide...

[Farnhamia]

Or are hiding, or are holding their noses and praying that someone not insane decides to run.

I consider myself one of those Republicans. I voted for Obama in 08. I'll vote for him again in 2012 if he's up against anyone but Huntsman (who I'll vote for in the primary, if he's still in the race by that point, which is unlikely).

We (meaning moderate Republicans) have to realize that only by being truly and utterly humiliated will the Party abandon its suicidal dive to the right. God knows trying to support moderate positions within the Party hasn't been working. Here's to an Obama landslide...

I don't know if a crushing defeat will help. Look at what happened in 2006, when the GOP lost the House in the mid-terms, the party moved to the right. In 2008, when they lost the House and the Senate? Again, to the right. The Republican Party seems capable of moving in one direction only, to the right, in victory and defeat. You and your fellow moderates might want to think long and hard about continuing your loyalties to such a party.

[Serrland]

I consider myself one of those Republicans. I voted for Obama in 08. I'll vote for him again in 2012 if he's up against anyone but Huntsman (who I'll vote for in the primary, if he's still in the race by that point, which is unlikely).

We (meaning moderate Republicans) have to realize that only by being truly and utterly humiliated will the Party abandon its suicidal dive to the right. God knows trying to support moderate positions within the Party hasn't been working. Here's to an Obama landslide...

I don't know if a crushing defeat will help. Look at what happened in 2006, when the GOP lost the House in the mid-terms, the party moved to the right. In 2008, when they lost the House and the Senate? Again, to the right. The Republican Party seems capable of moving in one direction only, to the right, in victory and defeat. You and your fellow moderates might want to think long and hard about continuing your loyalties to such a party.

There are still those within the Party that represent my interests. Lincoln Chafee, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, etc.

I'm hoping something happens akin to what happened after the years of FDR domination (and Truman): the Republicans decided they'd best find someone who didn't try to stoke up controversy and appeal to the fringes (Eisenhower). Same as in 1964 - the GOP saw that Goldwater and his raging rightism was going nowhere and hopped back on the much more moderate Nixon wagon.

I'm cautiously optimistic that, given another smackdown in 2012, the Party will do something similar again. That being said, stooges like Boehner and John Kyl (senate minority whip, not the most prestigious position, but all the same...) need to get the boot. I at least have some respect for McConnell, but he seems to be constantly hamstrung by Boehner's inability to control his party in the House.

[Farnhamia]

I don't know if a crushing defeat will help. Look at what happened in 2006, when the GOP lost the House in the mid-terms, the party moved to the right. In 2008, when they lost the House and the Senate? Again, to the right. The Republican Party seems capable of moving in one direction only, to the right, in victory and defeat. You and your fellow moderates might want to think long and hard about continuing your loyalties to such a party.

There are still those within the Party that represent my interests. Lincoln Chafee, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, etc.

I'm hoping something happens akin to what happened after the years of FDR domination (and Truman): the Republicans decided they'd best find someone who didn't try to stoke up controversy and appeal to the fringes (Eisenhower). Same as in 1964 - the GOP saw that Goldwater and his raging rightism was going nowhere and hopped back on the much more moderate Nixon wagon.

I'm cautiously optimistic that, given another smackdown in 2012, the Party will do something similar again. That being said, stooges like Boehner and John Kyl (senate minority whip, not the most prestigious position, but all the same...) need to get the boot. I at least have some respect for McConnell, but he seems to be constantly hamstrung by Boehner's inability to control his party in the House.

If I were you, I'd pitch McConnell, too. He was on the "Make Obama fail" train at the station in January of 2009.

[Wikkiwallana]

For a "STRICT CONSTITUTIONALIST" he sure seems to hate the 1st, 14th, and 16th amendments, and openly wants to repeal the 17th.

proof right now, i want to see explicit evidence of this, otherwise what you have stated is just another negative generalization of his views , and not to be taken seriously

Then proof you shall have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Peo ... People_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_le ... egislation
Both of those weaken the 1st and 14th.

Birthright citizenship: H.J.Res. 46, 2007-06-13, originally H.J.Res. 46, 2005-04-28. Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

Also weakens the 14th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... esentation
Public call for the repeal of the 17th.

Are we done here?

[AiliailiA]

Well I imagine the republicans who were aware probably jumped ship.

Or are hiding, or are holding their noses and praying that someone not insane decides to run.

I wonder if that's still possible?

[Whairtia]

Didn't Michel whatever say his 999 plan was a devil code? anyways if so that is funny, I said that before her and it is funny when these scandles came out, if he is innocent then I feel sorry in some way.

[Wikkiwallana]

Then proof you shall have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_Peo ... People_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_le ... egislation
Both of those weaken the 1st and 14th.

Also weakens the 14th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... esentation
Public call for the repeal of the 17th.

Are we done here?

Not in the slightest, wikipidia does not count , try again, weve been over this

Seing as how it links to the official text of the bills in question on the government's own websites, the problem is yours, not mine. Until you address reality, this is the last time I will be speaking to you.

[New Heathera]

I think a third party is going to win eventually. General support for democrats and Republicans alike seems to steadily be going down. The people are tired of the same two parties every time.

[Tmutarakhan]

Or are hiding, or are holding their noses and praying that someone not insane decides to run.

I wonder if that's still possible?

Filing deadlines for a lot of states have passed, and write-in campaigns seldom fare well.

[AiliailiA]

I wonder if that's still possible?

Filing deadlines for a lot of states have passed, and write-in campaigns seldom fare well.

I know the Florida deadline has passed. Not sure about the others.

Yeah, I guess this could only happen if one candidate got a huge lead in primaries and then like died.