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Fluffy Coyotes wrote:

Hippostania wrote:Yeah, he's an annoying isolationist idiot who worships a 200-year old piece of paper.

God damn it, he has already gone over why "isolationist" is not exactly an accurate description of his perspective. Enough of that tired talking point.

Anyone who wants to reduce US's influence in the world is an isolationist in my books, and that is exactly why I hate him so much.

I'm a die-hard Republican-Conservative, and while I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with him on Economic and Domestic issues related to government. However there are a few things that trouble me:

- RP's policy of Ending the Drug War and legalization (...and have a store where my kids can buy crack cocaine? No Thanks!)
- RP's entire Foreign Policy view (on his website it looks great, but when you hear his answers in the debate...EEEK! Scary!)
- RP's desire to channel George McGovern on Defense and Neville Chamberlain on Foreign Policy

Pretty much all RP followers and supporters, they are like cult members, obnoxious, arrogant, loud ect.


But to be honest, I am so damn sick of government messing with my life and the Congress unable to cut a paltry couple of hundred of billion dollars from the budget, ---even though the budget automatically increases each year--- that I'm willing to risk another World War for it. I want the gosh darn government out of my life and off of my back!

Hippostania wrote:

Fluffy Coyotes wrote:God damn it, he has already gone over why "isolationist" is not exactly an accurate description of his perspective. Enough of that tired talking point.

Anyone who wants to reduce US's influence in the world is an isolationist in my books, and that is exactly why I hate him so much.

Believe what you want, but that does not change what isolationist means.

Hippostania wrote:

Hellenic Protectorates wrote:Because a picture made on photoshop in five minutes, expressing nothing more than an impertinent personal attack, is justification for disliking someone.

If that were the case, Obama would be Lenin II.

Obama is indeed too leftist for my taste.

But anyways, he's an isolationist (he's not a neoconservative), is anti-choice, supports legalizing dangerous drugs, supports the OWS and stuff like that. I'd pick Cain or Romney over Paul every day. I mean, I absolutely detest Ron Paul. He's just so goddamn arrogant and annoying, and his supporters tend to be almost as annoying as the man itself.

I enjoy meeting people like you, because it reassures me of my relative centrism. I can disagree vehemently with lefties as well neocons while avoiding hypocrisy in calling myself a centrist.

But anyway, to the point: I approve of his non-interventionist policies, being a pacifist myself. Slashing the military budget to allow for ample homeland defense would also help us meet requirements for our debt. I've seen no specifics on his anti-abortion stance, and legalization of drugs is par-for-the-course for libertarians. I support allowing marijuana for private use (Meaning, not in public. e.g.: In your house), simply to slash the volume of sheer whining coming from pot-heads.

Hellenic Protectorates wrote:I enjoy meeting people like you, because it reassures me of my relative centrism. I can disagree vehemently with lefties as well neocons while avoiding hypocrisy in calling myself a centrist.

But anyway, to the point: I approve of his non-interventionist policies, being a pacifist myself. Slashing the military budget to allow for ample homeland defense would also help us meet requirements for our debt. I've seen no specifics on his anti-abortion stance, and legalization of drugs is par-for-the-course for libertarians. I support allowing marijuana for private use (Meaning, not in public. e.g.: In your house), simply to slash the volume of sheer whining coming from pot-heads.

Slashing medicare, medicaid and welfare budgets would do the job too. It's not the government's job to provide health care, but it is the government's duty to maintain the Armed Forces. Besides, marijuana is a sure sign that the person in question has committed other crimes as well. I've never met a weedsmoker who has never committed any other crimes.

Fluffy Coyotes wrote:

Hippostania wrote:Anyone who wants to reduce US's influence in the world is an isolationist in my books, and that is exactly why I hate him so much.

Believe what you want, but that does not change what isolationist means.

Actually, yes it does. He wants to USA into dive into its own shell like a turtle. He's a coward, he wants millions of people to suffer by withdrawing American troops back home. He's an insane man who doesn't have any sense of empathy, how else could he actually support the troop withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan?

Leaving issues to the states is not Libertarianism. It's federal Libertarianism, but it isn't Libertarianism, given that his policies are facility for authoritarianism in the more socially conservative states.

Hippostania wrote:

Hellenic Protectorates wrote:I enjoy meeting people like you, because it reassures me of my relative centrism. I can disagree vehemently with lefties as well neocons while avoiding hypocrisy in calling myself a centrist.

But anyway, to the point: I approve of his non-interventionist policies, being a pacifist myself. Slashing the military budget to allow for ample homeland defense would also help us meet requirements for our debt. I've seen no specifics on his anti-abortion stance, and legalization of drugs is par-for-the-course for libertarians. I support allowing marijuana for private use (Meaning, not in public. e.g.: In your house), simply to slash the volume of sheer whining coming from pot-heads.

Slashing medicare, medicaid and welfare budgets would do the job too. It's not the government's job to provide health care, but it is the government's duty to maintain the Armed Forces. Besides, marijuana is a sure sign that the person in question has committed other crimes as well. I've never met a weedsmoker who has never committed any other crimes.

Nor have I, but that's beside the point. And yes, I agree on slashing our entitlements. We need to slash them on top of slashing the military budget considerably before we can even think about tackling our debt problem.

And yes, it is the government's duty to "provide for the common defense." Bombing Libya because France asked us to doesn't fall under that.

Hippostania wrote:Besides, marijuana is a sure sign that the person in question has committed other crimes as well. I've never met a weedsmoker who has never committed any other crimes.

I don't even know where to start on how illogical this is. It is an anecdote, wrapped in argument from ignorance, inside a generalization.

Fluffy Coyotes wrote:

Hippostania wrote:Besides, marijuana is a sure sign that the person in question has committed other crimes as well. I've never met a weedsmoker who has never committed any other crimes.

I don't even know where to start on how illogical this is. It is an anecdote, wrapped in argument from ignorance, inside a generalization.

De jure, sure. But de facto, in my own personal experiences at least, it has never proven false. Keep in mind, I am not pro- or anti-legalization, as I am still learning the subject, but putting a halo over a pot-smoker's head seems just as, if not more, illogical.

he's an authoritarian racist who buys a lot of strange conspiracy theories. or at least an authoritarian who let undeniable bigots and conspiracy-mongers ghostwrite for him for years and who just so happens to oppose the civil rights act and has weird notions about economics. in other words, he's a bog-standard member of the radical right.

Free Soviets wrote:he's an authoritarian racist who buys a lot of strange conspiracy theories. or at least an authoritarian who let undeniable bigots and conspiracy-mongers ghostwrite for him for years and who just so happens to oppose the civil rights act and has weird notions about economics. in other words, he's a bog-standard member of the radical right.

Is that code for "libertarian"?

I would love to see a source for this baseless assumption, please.

I can't think of much I don't like about Ron Paul.

He's anti-gay and anti-woman. I Don't think very highly of him.

He's a Nazi and a paedophile. Dislike.

I agree with his stances on Foreign Policy, Civil Liberties, The Drug War, Defense Spending, and his opposition to the Federal Reserve.
I disagree with his economic views and he is a Confederate while I am a Federalist.

I don't think much for Ron Paul. He's not the best candidate, in my opinion.

I think the growth of the Ron Paulite faction within the GOP represents the increasing trend of capitalism and its exponents becoming increasingly ideologically incapable of of performing the tasks necessary to sustain the system, and their retreat into a comfortable echo chamber to manufacture their own safe, ideologically kosher version of reality.

i think he is a crank

but i love his point of view in the republican debates. they need someone with a different take on things.

Some of his positions are crazy and don't make sense, such as dealing with Iran. I don't agree with him at all, but I still respect him because he doesn't change his positions that much.

He is part of the modern republican party so by law i must hate him

Chillicothe wrote:I'm a die-hard Republican-Conservative, and while I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with him on Economic and Domestic issues related to government. However there are a few things that trouble me:

- RP's policy of Ending the Drug War and legalization (...and have a store where my kids can buy crack cocaine? No Thanks!)
- RP's entire Foreign Policy view (on his website it looks great, but when you hear his answers in the debate...EEEK! Scary!)
- RP's desire to channel George McGovern on Defense and Neville Chamberlain on Foreign Policy

Pretty much all RP followers and supporters, they are like cult members, obnoxious, arrogant, loud ect.


But to be honest, I am so damn sick of government messing with my life and the Congress unable to cut a paltry couple of hundred of billion dollars from the budget, ---even though the budget automatically increases each year--- that I'm willing to risk another World War for it. I want the gosh darn government out of my life and off of my back!

You don't think a store that sells crack would be awesome?

Snow Olua wrote:

Chillicothe wrote:I'm a die-hard Republican-Conservative, and while I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with him on Economic and Domestic issues related to government. However there are a few things that trouble me:

- RP's policy of Ending the Drug War and legalization (...and have a store where my kids can buy crack cocaine? No Thanks!)
- RP's entire Foreign Policy view (on his website it looks great, but when you hear his answers in the debate...EEEK! Scary!)
- RP's desire to channel George McGovern on Defense and Neville Chamberlain on Foreign Policy

Pretty much all RP followers and supporters, they are like cult members, obnoxious, arrogant, loud ect.


But to be honest, I am so damn sick of government messing with my life and the Congress unable to cut a paltry couple of hundred of billion dollars from the budget, ---even though the budget automatically increases each year--- that I'm willing to risk another World War for it. I want the gosh darn government out of my life and off of my back!

You don't think a store that sells crack would be awesome?

Considering drugs have the bad habit of killing you, I can't say I agree with you.

RON PAUL 2012!

The man to save America, because boy do you guys need it.

Ar-Rabalistan wrote:

Snow Olua wrote:

You don't think a store that sells crack would be awesome?

Considering drugs have the bad habit of killing you, I can't say I agree with you.

Moderation, my friend. Alcohol can kill you, but you don't see everybody who takes a sip of wine dropping dead, do you?