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by Soufrika » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:13 pm
by Tmutarakhan » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:15 pm
by Turok » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:17 pm
Tmutarakhan wrote:Turok wrote:
So some states choosing to ban it, while others choose to accept it is a far worse solution than one unilateral decision that applies to all 50 states?
It leaves the choice up to each individual, which ought to be the default position for anyone who professes to favor liberty.
by AiliailiA » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:18 pm
Yootwopia wrote:Ailiailia wrote:The state Supreme Court that is.
Meh just keep on truckin with it until it gets into the Federal courts if at all possible. If this is not possible, obviously going to Congress and having a rapechild right in the chamber to maybe shame them into doing something would be an option.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Nationstatelandsville » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:20 pm
Turok wrote:What do you all think of his idea of a "flat tax" across the board set at 1%?
I forgot what debate he mentioned that in.
by Nationstatelandsville » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:23 pm
by Moral Libertarians » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:24 pm
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.
by Free Soviets » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:36 pm
Turok wrote:Free Soviets wrote:ok, now keep thinking. suppose this rape victim lives in a state where such an abortion is illegal. her rights have been denied. she is less free than if the federal government forced the state to allow her abortion.
that's how.
And what if the Fed outlawed it altogether, alternatively?
by Tmutarakhan » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:39 pm
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:45 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by AiliailiA » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:48 pm
Turok wrote:What do you all think of his idea of a "flat tax"?
On November 20, 2008 Ron Paul said in a New York Times / Freakonomics interview:
“I want to abolish the income tax, but I don’t want to replace it with anything. About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes.
We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. We don’t need to “replace” the income tax at all. I see a consumption tax as being a little better than the personal income tax, and I would vote for the Fair-Tax if it came up in the House of Representatives, but it is not my goal. We can do better.”
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:50 pm
South Asia Minor wrote:Leaving issues to the states is not Libertarianism. It's federal Libertarianism, but it isn't Libertarianism, given that his policies are facility for authoritarianism in the more socially conservative states.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:52 pm
Hellenic Protectorates wrote:Free Soviets wrote:he's an authoritarian racist who buys a lot of strange conspiracy theories. or at least an authoritarian who let undeniable bigots and conspiracy-mongers ghostwrite for him for years and who just so happens to oppose the civil rights act and has weird notions about economics. in other words, he's a bog-standard member of the radical right.
Is that code for "libertarian"?
I would love to see a source for this baseless assumption, please.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:53 pm
Honorable Citizens wrote:Some of his positions are crazy and don't make sense, such as dealing with Iran. I don't agree with him at all, but I still respect him because he doesn't change his positions that much.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:57 pm
Western cuba wrote:I'm Democrat but if a Republican was to take over the Presidency I would be most comfortable with Ron Paul.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:02 pm
Chrislamic Libertarians wrote:Ron Paul believes that marriage is a civil matter and that government should not interfere in marriage be it homosexual or heterosexual.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Erendi » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:06 pm
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:07 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Wikkiwallana » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:09 pm
Turok wrote:Ceannairceach wrote:He speaks up civil liberties about how the government shouldn't decide what goes on in one's body, right? Then why does he want the states to decide, at all, what women do within their own bodies?
He refers the to FEDERAL government making unilateral decisions across all states, and not allowing the central government to dictate what the people choose to do, and lets the smaller local governments decide what is best for their state, town, city, village, etc...
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Halt!
Just because these people are stupid, wrong and highly dangerous does not mean you have the right to make them feel sad.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.
by Cannatella Mafia Family » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:11 pm
by Turok » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:12 pm
Wikkiwallana wrote:Turok wrote:
He refers the to FEDERAL government making unilateral decisions across all states, and not allowing the central government to dictate what the people choose to do, and lets the smaller local governments decide what is best for their state, town, city, village, etc...
Human rights don't change based on what part of the country you are in. Laws regarding them shouldn't either.
by The Imperial Federacy » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:14 pm
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