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Papal Misdemeanor

Herr Joseph Ratzinger is guilty!
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The Pope is innocent!
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:42 pm

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:The Pope is innocent!

There hasn't been an innocent Pope since 1724.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:25 pm

Why can't I pick that the Pope is guilty and that Knoot hates freedom? :p

Anyway, I don't believe in diplomatic immunity in the first place, so I definitely think he's guilty.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:The Pope is innocent!

There hasn't been an innocent Pope since 1724.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:27 pm

Israslovakahzerbajan wrote:It's the Pope Mobile, not a freakin' Formula 1 race-car...I don't think the seatbelt is necessary.

I'm afraid is necessary.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:34 pm

I personally wouldn't mind the Pope getting fined, but I don't know if there is much of a case here.

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Postby Israslovakahzerbajan » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:36 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Israslovakahzerbajan wrote:It's the Pope Mobile, not a freakin' Formula 1 race-car...I don't think the seatbelt is necessary.

I'm afraid is necessary.


So...the pope is Japanese now?
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Postby Bottle » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:43 pm

I'd like to see the Pope argue in court that, based on the fundamental belief system of Catholicism, there is no need for him to wear a seat belt. Surely God will not allow His chosen representative on Earth to come to harm unless/until God wishes this to happen.

Of course, the Pope's argument will be immediately undermined by the existence of the Popemobile. Because nothing says "I have faith in God's Plan" like riding around behind three inches of bullet-proof glass.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:48 pm

Oh yeah, I can see the Popemobile going nitro on the Autobahn.
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Postby Empire of Symphonia » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:13 pm

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You're embarressing us.

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Postby greed and death » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:07 am

The Corparation wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Oh yeah, I can see the Popemobile going nitro on the Autobahn.

That would actually be pretty cool.

The new pope often times must drive 150 mph in order to speed excommunicate heretics.
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Postby Rotovia- » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:14 am

Putting public policy and religion aside, this is an interesting legal question. It is unusual for someone holding diplomatic immunity to be a citizen of the host country.

1. The Pope as head of state for the Vatican (a recognised nation) enjoys diplomatic and sovereign immunity
2. Mr Ratzinger, as a citizen of Germany, is subject to the laws of that nation

My opinion would be that there was a reasonable expectation of immunity and it does not serve the public interest to prosecute in this matter.

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Postby Sociobiology » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:31 pm

Rotovia- wrote:Putting public policy and religion aside, this is an interesting legal question. It is unusual for someone holding diplomatic immunity to be a citizen of the host country.

1. The Pope as head of state for the Vatican (a recognised nation) enjoys diplomatic and sovereign immunity
2. Mr Ratzinger, as a citizen of Germany, is subject to the laws of that nation

My opinion would be that there was a reasonable expectation of immunity and it does not serve the public interest to prosecute in this matter.

It could however be used to revoke his diplomat status and have him deported.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:35 pm

Knootoss wrote:A GERMAN citizen has filed a complaint against Pope Benedict XVI for not using a seat belt in the Popemobile during his September visit to his homeland. ...
Do you think the Pope should be convicted?


No. Germany recognizes the Vatican as a foreign country, and the Pope as its Head of State - hence, because of diplomatic immunity - mr.Ratzinger isn't subject to German laws.

Rotovia- wrote:2. Mr Ratzinger, as a citizen of Germany, is subject to the laws of that nation

Not quite: Mr.Ratzinger isn't a German citizen anymore (all cardinals lose their citizenship and become citizens of the Vatican).

On the other hand, he should have worn a damn seatbelt...
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Postby Kandorith » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:51 pm

Guilty, I say.
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Postby Caninope » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:48 pm

Risottia wrote:
Knootoss wrote:A GERMAN citizen has filed a complaint against Pope Benedict XVI for not using a seat belt in the Popemobile during his September visit to his homeland. ...
Do you think the Pope should be convicted?


No. Germany recognizes the Vatican as a foreign country, and the Pope as its Head of State - hence, because of diplomatic immunity - mr.Ratzinger isn't subject to German laws.

Rotovia- wrote:2. Mr Ratzinger, as a citizen of Germany, is subject to the laws of that nation

Not quite: Mr.Ratzinger isn't a German citizen anymore (all cardinals lose their citizenship and become citizens of the Vatican).

On the other hand, he should have worn a damn seatbelt...

Actually, Herr Ratzinger holds dual citizenship, by a deal worked out between Germany and the Vatican.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:09 pm

Damn Cani, wear your seatbelt more often.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:37 pm

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Risottia wrote:On the other hand, he should have worn a damn seatbelt...

Sealt belts are kind of pointless if you're barley going at walking pace though.


Not if someone else crashes into you.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:45 pm

I support the fine, not because I'm in favor of the laws, but the idea of the Pope forced into the courtroom like that is awesome.

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Postby Beringovia » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:44 pm

Ifreann wrote:
greed and death wrote:This man has standing to enforce German Seat belt laws ???

The German legal system is weird.

I don't think you need standing to make a complaint about someone breaking the law.


In the US criminal justice system, generally only the district attorney (or equivalent authority, depending upon the jurisdiction) has legal authority to initiate criminal proceedings. There are some exceptions, but that is generally how it works.

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Postby Caninope » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:46 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Damn Cani, wear your seatbelt more often.

Hey, it might be a little late, but I've caught up with the times! Civil disobedience, fight the man, man!
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:48 pm

Caninope wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Damn Cani, wear your seatbelt more often.

Hey, it might be a little late, but I've caught up with the times! Civil disobedience, fight the man, man!

You are the man.

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Postby The Corparation » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:50 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Sealt belts are kind of pointless if you're barley going at walking pace though.


Not if someone else crashes into you.

Because other cars are totally going to ram the pope mobile when its going down a closed street.

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