scottish independence

[Great Darthidium]

And as for the rest of your post...you think that it would "economically...work out well" for Scotland, a nation with main exports of Irn Bru and obesity, to split from one of the world's largest trade blocs? To stop benefitting from tariff-free trade with several of the largest economies in the world?

I think he was being sarcastic.

Some people just don't get sarcasm

[Zersium]

Its still part of a wider union, the USA, and on top of that the USA is integrated to a large extent making quarrels over states becoming independent almost non existant (apart from that texas case a few years back) most americans know if their "state" became independent they wouldn't be that powerful, schotland is very similar, becoming independent would be suicide or at least disable schotlands economic strength and power.

All to often you don't appriciate something until its gone, what will the schots do if they get independence, their NHS is gone, they have an almost vauleless currency and massive debt due to the funding of their free services, or the elimination of them?

I can't find it because the SNP site is fucking terrible but I'm pretty sure the SNP dictatorship plans on taking the Euro as fast as they possibly can. Unless you were saying the Euro is valueless too.

I just hope they don't try to replace the pound with the Euro. Their crap money can stay in their countries asking for hand-outs.

[Vestr-Norig]

I support Scottish inedpendence. They, as every else, should have the right to govern themself.

Why exactly? I dont understand this argument either... the Uk is about as big as california, does california have multiple independent governments, im sure you have a system of small political bodies in each county or whatever you call it, cities, towns or areas ect, again they are also part of the USA, california could survive independantly, why not... why doesn't california become independent, shouldnt they have the right to govern themselves?

land mass has nothing to do with people governing themself, infact population wise its more benificial for schotland to stay with the Uk and have a louder voice than to leave,

What if the USA became a group of independent states? would your nation be as powerful as it is now?...no, you would just end up a group of independent states with each quarreling over stupid things with no presence on the world stage.

I do not see why the United States should not split up, well, at least into two countries (The South and the North), but of course it should be the people that should decide so. I said I supported Scottish independence, that do not mean I would force it upon them.

Also, I am not Amercian, so you cannot say "you" as I was an American to me. I am Norwegian, and I do also support independence for my region (Western Norway) here. I do not care if my nation would not be as powerful anymore. I believe in equality, and true, local democracy, not large, oppressive states.

[Zersium]

I think he was being sarcastic.

Some people just don't get sarcasm

Besides, Scotsmen have always been proud men in our army. Why would anyone want to change that? only the French don't see you as intimidating (Napoleon called the Scots - Amazons. Well, he might have.) but you know...We still think you're our friend.

[Zersium]

Why exactly? I dont understand this argument either... the Uk is about as big as california, does california have multiple independent governments, im sure you have a system of small political bodies in each county or whatever you call it, cities, towns or areas ect, again they are also part of the USA, california could survive independantly, why not... why doesn't california become independent, shouldnt they have the right to govern themselves?

land mass has nothing to do with people governing themself, infact population wise its more benificial for schotland to stay with the Uk and have a louder voice than to leave,

What if the USA became a group of independent states? would your nation be as powerful as it is now?...no, you would just end up a group of independent states with each quarreling over stupid things with no presence on the world stage.

I do not see why the United States should not split up, at least to two countries (The South and the North), but off course it should be the people that should decide so. I said I supported Scottish independence, that do not mean I would force it upon them.

Also, I am not Amercian, so you cannot say "you" as I was an American to me. I am Norwegian, and I do also support independence for my region (Western Norway) here. I do not care if my nation would not be as powerful anymore. I believe in equality, and true, local democracy, not large states.

Because last time the South and North split up it caused a civil war. Or did we miss that part of History class?

[Yootwopia]

I can't find it because the SNP site is fucking terrible

Also because, as with a joint UK/stand-alone military force, it's something the party (including the leadership) is split on.

but I'm pretty sure the SNP dictatorship plans on taking the Euro as fast as they possibly can.

More to the point, I doubt they would get a choice. The new member states have had to join the Euro as soon as they fulfil the criteria, and I doubt Scotland would be an exception.

[Alyakia]

Some people just don't get sarcasm

Besides, Scotsmen have always been proud men in our army. Why would anyone want to change that? only the French don't see you as intimidating (Napoleon called the Scots - Amazons. Well, he might have.) but you know...We still think you're our friend.

Someone once said there is a dispropionately large amount of Scots in the army but I'm not sure if they were telling porkies and since you sorta mentioned Scots in the army I thought this would be a semi-relevant time to ask strangers on the internet about it.

[Lessnt]

i am bad at america but doesn't california govern itsself to a large extent?

Its still part of a wider union, the USA, and on top of that the USA is integrated to a large extent making quarrels over states becoming independent almost non existant (apart from that texas case a few years back) most americans know if their "state" became independent they wouldn't be that powerful, schotland is very similar, becoming independent would be suicide or at least disable schotlands economic strength and power.

All to often you don't appriciate something until its gone, what will the schots do if they get independence, their NHS is gone, they have an almost vauleless currency and massive debt due to the funding of their free services, or the elimination of them?

California is more likely to split than it is to break from the union.
You have southern most california which disagrees with a part of southern california and most of northern california.
It has been proposed a few times.
And since California is a direct democracy we have good chances of crazy things happening.

[I V Stalin]

I think he was being sarcastic.

Some people just don't get sarcasm

It's difficult to tell when the other half of your post was wrong.

[Vestr-Norig]

I do not see why the United States should not split up, at least to two countries (The South and the North), but off course it should be the people that should decide so. I said I supported Scottish independence, that do not mean I would force it upon them.

Also, I am not Amercian, so you cannot say "you" as I was an American to me. I am Norwegian, and I do also support independence for my region (Western Norway) here. I do not care if my nation would not be as powerful anymore. I believe in equality, and true, local democracy, not large states.

Because last time the South and North split up it caused a civil war. Or did we miss that part of History class?

I know it lead to a civil war, but that was only because the North refused Confederate independence, even though the population of the South was in favour of independence. As much as I oppose to slavery, I still suppor independence for the South , but, as I said, this should off course happen by a referendum.

[Zersium]

Because last time the South and North split up it caused a civil war. Or did we miss that part of History class?

I know it lead to a civil war, but that was only because the North refused Confederate independence, even though the population of the South was in favour of independence. As much as I oppose to slavery, I still suppor independence for the South , but, as I said, this should off course happen by a referendum.

The North had a liking to Slavery too. Oh no they just preferred to kill millions of Native Americans outright. Although that can be justified.

[Lessnt]

The civil war was all about what kind of slavery you wanted.
Did you want the wage slaves of the industrial revolution?
Or did you want plantation slaves?
Both sides had their ideas.
They made their decisions.
War ensued.

[Chumblywumbly]

(SNP is like the BNP, which is like the Nazi party only socially acceptable in schotland)

Oh, do go away.

Or at least attempt some basic political research ahead of time.

[Zersium]

The civil war was all about what kind of slavery you wanted.
Did you want the wage slaves of the industrial revolution?
Or did you want plantation slaves?
Both sides had their ideas.
They made their decisions.
War ensued.

"Okay, no slavery, but we can still drink right?"
"... "

[Angleter]

Besides, Scotsmen have always been proud men in our army. Why would anyone want to change that? only the French don't see you as intimidating (Napoleon called the Scots - Amazons. Well, he might have.) but you know...We still think you're our friend.

Someone once said there is a dispropionately large amount of Scots in the army but I'm not sure if they were telling porkies and since you sorta mentioned Scots in the army I thought this would be a semi-relevant time to ask strangers on the internet about it.

I can't find any figures, and I don't think there are any (official ones, certainly), but I can tell you that Scotland did have one of the highest casualty rates in World War One, up there with all the East European polities that got steamrollered, possibly because of their general refusal to take prisoners (at least, according to Niall Ferguson). So that indicates some sort of a particularly martial attitude among Scots, but whether that's endured to today is another matter.

[Kirav]

i am bad at america but doesn't california govern itsself to a large extent?

All of the states govern themselves to a large extent, but as a former Californian, I can tell you that California is no more autonomous than any other state.

[Central Lothian]

infact the SNP wants schotland to be completely independent from the EU and europe (im sure economically that would work out well)

You mean the pro-European SNP? (There are several proposals for the ballot - the full independence one would keep Scotland as a member of the EU.)

I just hope they don't try to replace the pound with the Euro. Their crap money can stay in their countries asking for hand-outs.

In the same proposal as the one I alluded to above, the pound sterling would remain the currency of an independent Scotland unless the electorate wants to adopt the Euro - this would be in a different referendum.

[Zersium]

infact the SNP wants schotland to be completely independent from the EU and europe (im sure economically that would work out well)

You mean the pro-European SNP? (There are several proposals for the ballot - the full independence one would keep Scotland as a member of the EU.)

I just hope they don't try to replace the pound with the Euro. Their crap money can stay in their countries asking for hand-outs.

In the same proposal as the one I alluded to above, the pound sterling would remain the currency of an independent Scotland unless the electorate wants to adopt the Euro - this would be in a different referendum.

I actually meant England. Scotland uses the pound?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

You mean the pro-European SNP? (There are several proposals for the ballot - the full independence one would keep Scotland as a member of the EU.)



In the same proposal as the one I alluded to above, the pound sterling would remain the currency of an independent Scotland unless the electorate wants to adopt the Euro - this would be in a different referendum.

I actually meant England. Scotland uses the pound?

All of the UK does.

[Yootwopia]

I actually meant England. Scotland uses the pound?

Aye...

[The Archregimancy]

I actually meant England. Scotland uses the pound?

All of the UK does.

Though, for clarification for Zersium's benefit, three commercial banks in Scotland and four (I think) banks in Northern Ireland continue to exercise their right to print their own banknotes; the phenomenon of local banks printing their own banknotes used to be widespread in both the United Kingdom and the United States.

Note, however, that these Scottish and Northern Irish banknotes circulate concurrently with British banknotes, are worth precisely the same amount of money, and do not represent an attempt by either region to print its own national currency.

Technically, neither the Scottish nor Northern Irish banknotes are even legal tender anywhere in the UK - including in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Legally, they're promissory notes issued by retail banks; none of them are backed by a national central bank.

In practice, Scottish notes are widely accepted across the United Kingdom. Try to spend a Northern Irish banknote outside of Ulster, though...

The issuing of coins remains the sole purview of the UK's central bank, and coins are universally shared across the country (the Channel Islands and Isle of Man issue their own coins, but they are self-governing crown dependencies, and not part of the UK).

[Zersium]

All of the UK does.

Though, for clarification for Zersium's benefit, three commercial banks in Scotland and four (I think) banks in Northern Ireland continue to exercise their right to print their own banknotes; the phenomenon of local banks printing their own banknotes used to be widespread in both the United Kingdom and the United States.

Note, however, that these Scottish and Northern Irish banknotes circulate concurrently with British banknotes, are worth precisely the same amount of money, and do not represent an attempt by either region to print its own national currency.

Technically, neither the Scottish nor Northern Irish banknotes are even legal tender anywhere in the UK - including in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Legally, they're promissory notes issued by retail banks; none of them are backed by a national central bank.

In practice, Scottish notes are widely accepted across the United Kingdom. Try to spend a Northern Irish banknote outside of Ulster, though...

The issuing of coins remains the sole purview of the UK's central bank, and coins are universally shared across the country (the Channel Islands and Isle of Man issue their own coins, but they are self-governing crown dependencies, and not part of the UK).

I bow to your infinite wisdom great mod. Thanks.

[Call to power]

bah lets just have England (and the rest) leave, I'm sure we can find a new 3rd world country to be our hat.

Advantages:
-confuses Americans
-No more attention for Scotland
-Can start talking to Normandy about succession just to wind France up
-Can trick Poland into joining us and thus finally have a productive member of the United Kingdom

I mean I wouldn't exactly suggest it nor do I believe Scottish independence has a hope in hell of happening, but it would be nice to be the ones fighting for independence as a change of pace

I am Norwegian, and I do also support independence for my region (Western Norway) here. I do not care if my nation would not be as powerful anymore. I believe in equality, and true, local democracy, not large, oppressive states.

so...er you've explained why Norway exists now tell me why you want to divide it further?

Someone once said there is a dispropionately large amount of Scots in the army but I'm not sure if they were telling porkies and since you sorta mentioned Scots in the army I thought this would be a semi-relevant time to ask strangers on the internet about it.

Is true but less so than the Welsh.

Scotland has always had a shit economy which is why they have traditionally served as mercenaries throughout history

[Oterro]

Is true but less so than the Welsh.

Scotland has always had a shit economy which is why they have traditionally served as mercenaries throughout history

and because fighting for the french let us kill english people

[Yootwopia]

In practice, Scottish notes are widely accepted across the United Kingdom.

Just don't try spending them at a Chinese takeaway in England without like ten minutes of explaining until they just go "eh whatever, just have yer stupid foo yung and chips, we'll take that monopoly money if we have to".