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Israel should be able to freely exterminate any threats to her national security, as Israel has historically been under constant threat by Muslims who want to exterminate the Jews. Therefore, Israel should be able to defend herself against anyone who threatens Israel's existence, and neutralize those threats.

Why is it essential that Israel exists?
1. Israel is the most civilized, modern country in the Middle East.
2. Israel has more freedom and prosperity than any Muslim country.
3. Israel helps keep the rest of the world safe by fighting Muslim jihadists.
4. Israel is the one and only sanctuary for the long-persecuted Jewish people, on land that is sacred to the Jews.

Therefore, we should not tell Israel not to shoot a few Palestinians now and then, because if the Palestinians were in their shoes, they would do everything in their power to drive the Jews into the sea, and the West will have lost one of its best allies.

Israel needs to survive, and do everything she can to protect her survival. To say any different is antisemitic and hateful. Israel is a long-time friend of all that is civilized, and we cannot let Israel fall to barbaric religious zealots that want to destroy the western way of life.

You could spin the argument the exact opposite way.

Although your overall post is mostly hatemongering in my opinion. I think you'r right that Israel should be given a free reign, as long as the government still answers to the citizenry.

There isn't a barge pole long enough...

The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Israel should be able to freely exterminate

Any statement beginning "x should be able to freely exterminate" is wrong.

Hold on now.

I'm a fan of Israel, and in general I support them internationally, but I can't help but get the feeling you are seeing only one side of the issue here.

Muslims do not want to eliminate all Jews, the majority of the nations around Israel had healthy Jewish populations before Israel, the countries of the Middle East are not simply opposed to Israel for any religious reasons, but rather most act in support for the Palestinians, who have a legitimate claim to the land of Israel, I believe Israel ultimately has the right to occupy the Levant, but that's not to say that Muslim nations are not entirely right to act in support of their Palestinian brothers.

With exception to regions controlled by terrorist groups like the Hezbollah and nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran, you should find that most of the Middle East is surprisingly civilized. Israel I would agree is most civilized, but there as many economic reasons for that as there are cultural. If not more. Muslims up until the early-20th century were often thought to be as greatly civilized as Europe.

I'm of the same opinion as the Merchant Republic. Even if I do believe Israel shouldn't have been created after world war 2 just because we felt sorry for the Jews. Palestine was crippled beyond repair because of it.

But, the past is the past and we can't change it. Multiculturism and equality for everybaddah!

PS: I'd also like to add that '4. Israel is the one and only sanctuary for the long-persecuted Jewish people, on land that is sacred to the Jews.' also applies to the Christians and the muslims. The holy Land, afterall.

The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Germany should be able to freely exterminate any threats to her national security, as Germany has historically been under constant threat by Jews who want to exterminate the Aryan race. Therefore, Germany should be able to defend herself against anyone who threatens Germany's existence, and neutralize those threats.

I totally agree.

The Palestinians should be allowed to do whatever they want to the Israelis. Their culture grew up alongside the Jewish culture, in roughly the same area, but Israel has always hated them and waged war against them. Since Zionism became popular, the radical Jewish settlers have provoked and attempted to wipe out the Palestinian peoples, culminating in the 1948 ethnic cleansing and subsequent seizure of land that had belonged to Palestinians for many centuries and that no single Jewish person could lay claim to other than "a book written hundreds of years ago says that we own this land". Whenever the Arab allies have tried to restore the Palestinians to their rightful lands, the Israelis have reacted viciously, taken land from sovereign nations and have even deliberately attacked civilian refugee camps. This behaviour has continued up until the 21st, where Israel is guilty of firing on a clearly marked UN aid convoy with tanks, opening fire on UN workers who were trying to help the wounded during a ceasefire and firing 155mm white phosphorus shells into a school where it was known that civilians had taken refugee. In light of this historic persecution of the Palestinians, I say that they should be given back their land and we should not protest when their martyrs kill the oppressive Israelis. They are, after all, doing the same thing to the Palestinians. To do otherwise would be to endorse the continued genocide of the Palestinian people, who just want their land back.

[/twisting the facts in the opposite direction for balance]

Before anyone takes the above statement as my actual position, let it be noted that I consider both Israelis and Palestinians to be equally as bad as each other and that the above statement was a deliberate twisting of facts to counteract the OP's deliberate twisting of facts.

..what the world needs is a nice musical interlude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4MsK4z9IOI

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:

The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Germany should be able to freely exterminate any threats to her national security, as Germany has historically been under constant threat by Jews who want to exterminate the Aryan race. Therefore, Germany should be able to defend herself against anyone who threatens Germany's existence, and neutralize those threats.

I totally agree.

Godwin's law.

Even if this is a rather acceptable use of it. The argument however is a little bit more valid than that, Israel is surrounded by Muslim nations which have been actively hostile towards them, it has a legitimate reason to be paranoid, anyways, we haven't seen anything close to pogroms towards their Muslim population, the sort of second-class citizenship that Muslims endure in Israel is not really so great considering that most of the Middle East treats their own Jews and Christians with the same denigration.

The Northwestern Imperative wrote:To say any different is antisemitic and hateful.

Says the one advocating genocide...

Israel should be able to freely exterminate any threats to her national security

...I think I'd rather be considered a hateful anti-semite than conform to your worldview, which apparently thinks that even my 1st Amendment rights are trumped by Israels right to exist.

Too bad for you.

I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

The Merchant Republics wrote:

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
I totally agree.

Godwin's law.

Even if this is a rather acceptable use of it. The argument however is a little bit more valid than that, Israel is surrounded by Muslim nations which have been actively hostile towards them, it has a legitimate reason to be paranoid, anyways, we haven't seen anything close to pogroms towards their Muslim population, the sort of second-class citizenship that Muslims endure in Israel is not really so great considering that most of the Middle East treats their own Jews and Christians with the same denigration.

Too be honest, I was just too lazy/tired to make a better post like Munathanura did.

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

God.

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:

The Merchant Republics wrote:Godwin's law.

Even if this is a rather acceptable use of it. The argument however is a little bit more valid than that, Israel is surrounded by Muslim nations which have been actively hostile towards them, it has a legitimate reason to be paranoid, anyways, we haven't seen anything close to pogroms towards their Muslim population, the sort of second-class citizenship that Muslims endure in Israel is not really so great considering that most of the Middle East treats their own Jews and Christians with the same denigration.

Too be honest, I was just too lazy/tired to make a better post like Munathanura did.

Which I ruthlessly exploited for my own ends. I wasn't really intending to harp on you. Just used it as a vehicle of argument.

Munathanura wrote:

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

God.

I'm sure He thought it would be a good idea at the time, imagine if we did work together. Sitting up their, probably thinking, "Now if, I place Israel here, the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims will all have one super home to be together in harmony." I'm not really challenging his omnipotence, but we've let Him down quite badly I'd say.

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

I do wonder what the political state of the world would be if they had gone with the Tasmania plan.

And muslims, Iran, can do what ever they want to Israel as well.

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The Merchant Republics wrote:

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Too be honest, I was just too lazy/tired to make a better post like Munathanura did.

Which I ruthlessly exploited for my own ends. I wasn't really intending to harp on you. Just used it as a vehicle of argument.

Meh, I do it to, so I was bound to end up on the bad end of it eventually.

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

That would be the President of the US, and Prime Minister of the UK back in late 1940's.

Rambhutan wrote:

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

I do wonder what the political state of the world would be if they had gone with the Tasmania plan.

Tasmania would be a super power and Australia would be their bitch. Until the Tasmanian Aborigine intifada of 1983.

Rambhutan wrote:

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

I do wonder what the political state of the world would be if they had gone with the Tasmania plan.

Rampant anti-Semitism in the rest of Australia and a isolationist Israel, probably.

Aeyariss wrote:

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:I want to know whose idea it was to site Israel in the middle of Palestine, between Egypt, Syria and Iran.

That would be the President of the US, and Prime Minister of the UK back in late 1940's.

Britain was against giving up Palestine, why did their stance suddenly change?
A UK warship actually rammed a boatload of Jewish refugees fleeing postwar Europe for Palestine.

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:

The Northwestern Imperative wrote:Germany should be able to freely exterminate any threats to her national security, as Germany has historically been under constant threat by Jews who want to exterminate the Aryan race. Therefore, Germany should be able to defend herself against anyone who threatens Germany's existence, and neutralize those threats.

I totally agree.

I second this.