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Atheist
274
49%
Agnostic
87
16%
Theist- Christian
138
25%
Theist- Muslim
8
1%
Theist- Buddhist
4
1%
Theist- Wicca
5
1%
Theist- Hindu
3
1%
Theist- Other, please post what specifically thank you.
38
7%
 
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Postby Hallistar » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:48 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:You don't have free will or something? You let someone else create your purpose for you? How unimaginative. I, however, create my own purpose in life.

How do you justify your purpose, then? By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.


Hold up on the beer for a sec, athiests that I know (that follow morals) justify their morals based on a fellowship of man mentality and a good-will way to live that keeps society together and well off, to them they do not need a divine being to tell them yes or no on what they will perceive as negative and what they will perceive as positive
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:49 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:You don't have free will or something? You let someone else create your purpose for you? How unimaginative. I, however, create my own purpose in life.

How do you justify your purpose, then?

I am god. I dictate my life. I am the divine, supreme ruler of my body, bound by the laws of physics. I am god.

By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.

Morals do not exist. Merely an outdated illusion used to corral humans. I shape and mold my ethics the way I see fit. The more pragmatic, mathematically logical it is, the more I will accept such ethics.

Do note that ethics is the way I live by, not by morals. Morals is just something old men created to stop people from being pissy with them.
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:53 pm

Hallistar wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:How do you justify your purpose, then? By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.


Hold up on the beer for a sec, athiests that I know (that follow morals) justify their morals based on a fellowship of man mentality and a good-will way to live that keeps society together and well off, to them they do not need a divine being to tell them yes or no on what they will perceive as negative and what they will perceive as positive

They trust themselves far too much. I trust the judgement of no man, let alone myself.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:55 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Hallistar wrote:
Hold up on the beer for a sec, athiests that I know (that follow morals) justify their morals based on a fellowship of man mentality and a good-will way to live that keeps society together and well off, to them they do not need a divine being to tell them yes or no on what they will perceive as negative and what they will perceive as positive

They trust themselves far too much. I trust the judgement of no man, let alone myself.

Well then, that's why I rely on math and statistics for my "ethical" scaffolding.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:55 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:You don't have free will or something? You let someone else create your purpose for you? How unimaginative. I, however, create my own purpose in life.

How do you justify your purpose, then? By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.


I believe in a supreme being, but I don't believe in the concept of morals. And in life, I forge my own purpose, like any other human construct or concept that humans arbitrarily form their own meanings of.
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Postby Floreria » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:57 pm

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:57 pm

Norstal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:They trust themselves far too much. I trust the judgement of no man, let alone myself.

Well then, that's why I rely on math and statistics for my "ethical" scaffolding.

Math and statistics always lead to failure in the end, as they cannot account for everything.

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Postby Dark Fire Ice » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:59 pm

Technically christian, but I don't follow any creed. Mainly because they base their faith on documents two thousand years old, and must take it on faith that the same people who; caused a holy war, tortured hundreds of thousands of people, destroyed anyone who a different view of theirs, and tried to sell salvation did not alter them in anyway. I believe in God. I believe in the Christ (its his title, in Greek, not his name). And I believe humans are capable both the greatest good and greatest evil. So as I said I believe I am christian but most would say I am not.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:59 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Well then, that's why I rely on math and statistics for my "ethical" scaffolding.

Math and statistics always lead to failure in the end, as they cannot account for everything.

;) Where they can't lead, they just need an update to the map and then they will be able to.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:01 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Well then, that's why I rely on math and statistics for my "ethical" scaffolding.

Math and statistics always lead to failure in the end, as they cannot account for everything.

Oh yes it can. You're just not being creative about it. I can research or develop more ways to improve my models and thus, the beauty of my ethics is that it can never be "wrong".
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Postby Sampsell » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:06 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:How do you justify your purpose, then? By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.


I believe in a supreme being, but I don't believe in the concept of morals. And in life, I forge my own purpose, like any other human construct or concept that humans arbitrarily form their own meanings of.


Why MUST atheists be able to justify there sense of morals, couldn't it simply be because they feel that there choices can have a positive affect on mankind without needing some great reward after death. Just doing the right thing to do the right thing?
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:08 pm

Sampsell wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:
I believe in a supreme being, but I don't believe in the concept of morals. And in life, I forge my own purpose, like any other human construct or concept that humans arbitrarily form their own meanings of.


Why MUST atheists be able to justify there sense of morals, couldn't it simply be because they feel that there choices can have a positive affect on mankind without needing some great reward after death. Just doing the right thing to do the right thing?

But but but but but, then you don't have a purpose, granted by an omniscient sky fairy, in life! [/sarcasm]
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:08 pm

Norstal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Math and statistics always lead to failure in the end, as they cannot account for everything.

Oh yes it can. You're just not being creative about it. I can research or develop more ways to improve my models and thus, the beauty of my ethics is that it can never be "wrong".

And as soon as you research a new way, a different way becomes obsolet and you have to improve it, and you create a never ending cycle.

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:09 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Oh yes it can. You're just not being creative about it. I can research or develop more ways to improve my models and thus, the beauty of my ethics is that it can never be "wrong".

And as soon as you research a new way, a different way becomes obsolet and you have to improve it, and you create a never ending cycle.

>Implying that's a bad thing

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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:09 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Oh yes it can. You're just not being creative about it. I can research or develop more ways to improve my models and thus, the beauty of my ethics is that it can never be "wrong".

And as soon as you research a new way, a different way becomes obsolet and you have to improve it, and you create a never ending cycle.

Which makes it even more fun.

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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:14 pm

Norstal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:And as soon as you research a new way, a different way becomes obsolet and you have to improve it, and you create a never ending cycle.

Which makes it even more fun.

Gosh Hath, even I wouldn't like to live in a turtle shell.

It is so repeatative. Doing a fun thing over and over again makes it less fun.

And who said I live in a turtle shell because I believe in a supreme being?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:21 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Not from my perspective. If we came into being by chance, without anything spurring the creation, then what purpose could we truly have?


What purpose does the color magenta have?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:22 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Which makes it even more fun.

Gosh Hath, even I wouldn't like to live in a turtle shell.

It is so repeatative. Doing a fun thing over and over again makes it less fun.

And who said I live in a turtle shell because I believe in a supreme being?

You live in a turtle shell because you see constant learning as failure.
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Postby Dark Fire Ice » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:23 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Not from my perspective. If we came into being by chance, without anything spurring the creation, then what purpose could we truly have?


What purpose does the color magenta have?


To piss off people who like two syllable color names
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:24 pm

Norstal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:How do you justify your purpose, then?

I am god. I dictate my life. I am the divine, supreme ruler of my body, bound by the laws of physics. I am god.

By your morals? Without divine presence, how do you justify your morals? Without the existance of a supreme being, such things cannot truly exist.

Morals do not exist. Merely an outdated illusion used to corral humans. I shape and mold my ethics the way I see fit. The more pragmatic, mathematically logical it is, the more I will accept such ethics.

Do note that ethics is the way I live by, not by morals. Morals is just something old men created to stop people from being pissy with them.


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Postby Hallistar » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:25 pm

Dark Fire Ice wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
What purpose does the color magenta have?


To piss off people who like two syllable color names


Is it a three syllable or one syllable name?

Like Ma-gen-ta

Or just magenta?
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:25 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Which makes it even more fun.

Gosh Hath, even I wouldn't like to live in a turtle shell.

It is so repeatative. Doing a fun thing over and over again makes it less fun.

Funny, because I can say the same thing about your beliefs. But no, one can never get tired of math.

And who said I live in a turtle shell because I believe in a supreme being?

You clearly need a supreme being to dictate you.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:27 pm

Underium wrote:A simple question, how many of you are Atheists. What about Theists?
Just say if you are Atheist, and why? Also if your Theist please say so and why, also if you would not mind listing your religion it would be great.

I opened this thread out of plain curiosity, personally I am a Theist, who worships the Greek goddess Hecate.


Agnostic atheist.

Agnostic, because I'm willing to be convinced, if any convincing evidence were possible... but I'm not convinced it is.

Atheist, because I lack belief in any of the god scenarios I've encountered.
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Postby Pinewald » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:28 pm

Theist.
But I vow to never ram it down any ones throat, you don't even need to read this, lol. I respect both sides of this issue.

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I tried Atheism, it made me feel empty and more alone than ever before. An example of a Catholic saying- "God be with you, and with me." Something about it sounds like, "May the Force be with you."!
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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:30 pm

Pinewald wrote:Theist.
But I vow to never ram it down any ones throat, you don't even need to read this, lol. I respect both sides of this issue.

Catholic-Christian.

I tried Atheism, it made me feel empty and more alone than ever before. An example of a Catholic saying- "God be with you, and with me." Something about it sounds like, "May the Force be with you."!

Heh, I was a Catholic deconverted into an atheist because I didn't like being dictated by someone or something I can't even see.
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