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Postby Milograd » Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:56 pm

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As do I.
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Postby Extra Sauce » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:02 pm

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Extra Sauce wrote:It's not a good reason. Fear of the future's potential doesn't justify trying to get in its way. People should be vigilant about how things are used instead of preventing their development.

So you are saying technology and science is nothing to be afraid of? Have you ever seen the effects of human technology through out the ages? Dear lord, there used to be a time when guns and tanks and inter-continental-ballistic-missiles didn't exist. You can't possibly think that technology is nothing to be afraid of.

Oh, yeah, there's all kinds of destructive potential. Who would deny that? I just believe it's more appropriate to fear people who use technology for destructive ends than to fear technology's destructive potential. Stuff can be used for different purposes, after all.

Take a rocket, put a nuke on it, turn it into an ICBM; take another rocket, put three dudes in it, and take them to the Moon. Just because you can stick a nuke in a rocket doesn't mean people should be afraid of rockets, it just means that people should work very, very hard to do something wortwhile with rockets; like put dudes on the moon, and maybe a permanent moonbase or something.
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Postby Avenio » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:03 pm

Milograd wrote:So you are saying technology and science is nothing to be afraid of? Have you ever seen the effects of human technology through out the ages? Dear lord, there used to be a time when guns and tanks and inter-continental-ballistic-missiles didn't exist. You can't possibly think that technology is nothing to be afraid of.


Fear not technology, fear the people that would misuse it. A tank cannot hurt you without a pilot, an ICBM cannot launch on its own and a gun needs to be aimed.

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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:04 pm

Diseased Imaginings wrote:I don't fear it. In fact, I think once medical tech and neuroscience advance enough in the next few decades, we'll see people first start to have embedded microchips with algorithms and memory integrated into human nervous systems. We're very quickly approaching the verge of a post-organic evolution in humankind, and I find it exhilarating.


Well, I don't think that will happen, and don't want it to happen. Its appalling.

Yes, AI has the potential to be a threat, and there is absolutely no reason to create true AI that could eventually be smarter than humans.

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Postby Lacadaemon » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:08 pm

Avenio wrote:Fear not technology, fear the people that would misuse it. A tank cannot hurt you without a pilot, an ICBM cannot launch on its own and a gun needs to be aimed.


Ha, just wait until they can.
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Postby Disgruntled militia » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:10 pm

Trollgaard wrote:there is absolutely no reason to create true AI that could eventually be smarter than humans.

except for the inherent fact that it is smarter than a human, smarter in fact than any human ever could be.... you see no value in that?
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Postby Extra Sauce » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:10 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Avenio wrote:Fear not technology, fear the people that would misuse it. A tank cannot hurt you without a pilot, an ICBM cannot launch on its own and a gun needs to be aimed.


Ha, just wait until they can.

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Postby Kubra » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:11 pm

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Extra Sauce wrote:We call those idiots. Who else is unable to distinguish fiction from reality?


That would be Most of the earth's population.
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Postby Avenio » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:13 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Avenio wrote:Fear not technology, fear the people that would misuse it. A tank cannot hurt you without a pilot, an ICBM cannot launch on its own and a gun needs to be aimed.


Ha, just wait until they can.


True. But until then, the 'goodness' of a technology depends almost wholly upon the nature of its user. Or, potentially, as you state, the nature of the people who program the AI.

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Postby Xarithis » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:24 pm

Zathganastan wrote:What do most people feel about AI robot's that think for themselves.
Is it a threat to humanity or just anorther part of the future.

Fear me, and my hobby of developing AI Systems. Fear!

Even an intelligent machine must adhere to the limits imposed upon it by the programmer. So long as the developers know what they are doing, AI research poses little danger. I would equate it with genetic engineering - Sure, it's dangerous. But only if you have no idea what you are doing, or if you want it to be dangerous.

Really, you only have to worry about us Wannabe-World-Conquering Mad Scientists™, and we are few and far between.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:31 pm

Floreria wrote:
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Well, I don't think that will happen, and don't want it to happen. Its appalling.

Yes, AI has the potential to be a threat, and there is absolutely no reason to create true AI that could eventually be smarter than humans.

Really? Since I was certain that there were, in fact, reasons to do that.

Evolution has its limitations. If we want to improve humanity, which is certainly something that seems to be required in this small part of the universe, we'll need to find new solutions. Nature simply doesn't work that way.

I can understand why these concepts would be apalling. We'll be trusting our imperfect partners in crime here on earth with helping to achieve a more ideal form. It's easily abusable and quite potentially dangerous. Of course any intelligent human being would know that using it for purposes beneficial to us would be the best plan, but how can we be so sure that would happen?


Humans are fine. We don't need AI. We'll survive or perish by our own hands.

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Postby Disgruntled militia » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:39 pm

Trollgaard wrote:Humans are fine. We don't need AI. We'll survive or perish by our own hands.

Yes, and our hands have built computers and don't plan to stop there. Are you against technology in general, or just new technology?
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So are bacteria. I feel no pity when I use hand sanitizer.

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Note to self, assassinate CTALNH if (s)he ever runs for office.

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Conserative Morality wrote:Ah, but my opinions allow me to use force effectively and pre-emptively, which means their opinion is helpless before mine.

And this is why America wins.

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Postby New Ziedrich » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:39 pm

Friggin' hell, computers aren't gonna enslave us! Keep building bigger and faster machines, it's all good.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:45 pm

Disgruntled militia wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:Humans are fine. We don't need AI. We'll survive or perish by our own hands.

Yes, and our hands have built computers and don't plan to stop there. Are you against technology in general, or just new technology?


In general I'm against it, but with much difficulty accept that it most likely isn't going away.

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Postby Natapoc » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:46 pm

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Diseased Imaginings wrote:I don't fear it. In fact, I think once medical tech and neuroscience advance enough in the next few decades, we'll see people first start to have embedded microchips with algorithms and memory integrated into human nervous systems. We're very quickly approaching the verge of a post-organic evolution in humankind, and I find it exhilarating.


Well, I don't think that will happen, and don't want it to happen. Its appalling.

Yes, AI has the potential to be a threat, and there is absolutely no reason to create true AI that could eventually be smarter than humans.


There is really no risk. For 3 years I was a paid researcher in the field of computational intelligence (the part of AI that any real intelligence will develop from). Yes it's fun and exciting but...

We are not making software that is as smart as an small insect.... We are making software that is as smart as overly simplified model of a small insect.

Most people are not working on anything with any type of "General intelligence" It's not a focus really. Research is very very specific to methods of solving problems most people have probably never heard of.

Most of the things people show are things that there are well known formulas for. The computer did not come up with that formula itself. It was directly programmed. I have worked on programs that develop their own algorithms but it's not as advanced as it sounds. They can't change the basic structure in ways that biological organisms can.

It's basically optimization of coefficients. Which can get some very very cool results BUT cannot accomplish all that much compared to what a living organism can accomplish.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:48 pm

Well that's reassuring, Natapoc.

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Postby Hresejnen » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:54 pm

It's physically impossible for a machine to be able to do everything a human can do, except more efficiently. I guess sorta like how it's impossible to make an emulator that runs as well as the system itself. So no.

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Postby Galla- » Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:56 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:
Avenio wrote:Fear not technology, fear the people that would misuse it. A tank cannot hurt you without a pilot, an ICBM cannot launch on its own and a gun needs to be aimed.


Ha, just wait until they can.


would be so pro tbh

give it 40 years or so
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Postby Qatarab » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:10 am

I want an AI system controlling things. Of course the problem is that people believe that the AI will hate humanity and take over the world but thats only when retarded humans actually pose that threat to the computer. Skynet might've been a nicer AI had the workers not scrambled to chop off its head(virtually) when it became self-aware. Obviously if i popped out of a cave for the first time and got attacked by the first man i saw out there,i'd probably think all the people on the surface were evil.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:14 am

Zathganastan wrote:What do most people feel about AI robot's that think for themselves.
Is it a threat to humanity or just anorther part of the future.

No it's not. An artificial intelligence, with current technology and knowledge, that is fully self aware is impossible due to limits of computation.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:19 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Diseased Imaginings wrote:I don't fear it. In fact, I think once medical tech and neuroscience advance enough in the next few decades, we'll see people first start to have embedded microchips with algorithms and memory integrated into human nervous systems. We're very quickly approaching the verge of a post-organic evolution in humankind, and I find it exhilarating.


Well, I don't think that will happen, and don't want it to happen. Its appalling.

Yes, AI has the potential to be a threat, and there is absolutely no reason to create true AI that could eventually be smarter than humans.

AI is as much of a threat as a simple calculator.

Programming is solely based on math and mathematical logic. Currently, there is no mathematical proof to determine mood, feelings, sentient, etc. As long as there is no method of proof to do this, there will be no AI that is sentient.
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Postby Siorafrica » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:21 am

Humans are emotional* and irrational** while machines are emotionless and rational,humans fear and hate the different,the uncertain.WE built machines and to create something you must be superior to it,if we know how AI works, which of course we do,we can sort out the machines if they cause trouble,if we're stupid enough to make it possible for them to cause trouble.
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Postby Bakakishtan » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:24 am

Yeah if we don't have some way of controlling the A.I., then yeah I can see it being a problem. On another note, I don't really like the idea of human augmentation/trans humanism, I'd rather have nifty-er gadgets.
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