Metania wrote:I didn't have time to read all zillion replies to this, but, according to Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, etc.) God is outside of existence and therefore since he created reality, he is above it and does not exist--he is a state beyond existence.
Therefore God does not exist, because if the religious books are correct, he's beyond simple existence. And, ironically, the books have a pretty good way of hedging their bets--in fact, if he were to exist, it'd disprove them and cause them to implode, because that'd make idolatry literally true. (Idolatry generally being confusing something with no physical existence with a physical object--in this case, confusing God that would be beyond all of reality with a made-up one that would 'exist' and be a part of the very thing he created, which is not what the books advocate.)
So actually, when you say logic proves God does not exist, you're actually saying Logic is proving the correctness of the biblical assertions that God does not exist.
The only part you'd really have an argument about would be whether that also implied he was a beyond-existence being behind the curtains, so to speak, or if there was nothing behind the curtains.
That's why these debates make me crack up. Yeah, prove God exists, and you break your own bible and religion, since he's not supposed to exist. At least, in the Abrahamic faiths.
Disprove him, and you're just backing up what the Abrahamic faiths say--he doesn't exist. Of course you aren't really commenting on the main issue when you do that--I.E., is there a God beyond existence or is there not?
But I expect to probably not be able to check on this in a timely fashion and get yelled down by confused people, so. That's my two cents on the matter.
The irony here, of course, is that I don't believe in the God beyond existence myself, but reading of him in the books has led me to sort of seek out discussions like this and -try- to explain how they are... sort of missing the point.
Depends on the definition of non-existence. God does not exist as material, and what I and others always defended was his non-material existence (or, if you want to call it like that, believing in God beyond existence).