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Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:41 pm**

Person012345 wrote:
Magmia wrote:It has something to do with laying out the texts in a way where it's like playing the "find the words among letters" game.

Or at least that's my understanding of it

Funny how things like that only predict them after they happened. Like, no-one used it to stop 9/11, or to evacuate people from major disaster areas, it's always "oh look, it totally predicted this when we flip it this way and read all the A's as C's and the P's as T's and we substitute the numbers for letters and take this bit out" after the event in question has occurred.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:41 pm**

Alikhaa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
That's not Global flooding.

It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.

It's foolish to say that because we don't know every detail, therefore global flooding definitely happened. Step down from your high horse pretending like things happened just because you say they did.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:41 pm**

The New World Oceania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
That's not Global flooding.

The globe didn't flood, some idiot in the third century translated it wrong.

Are you trying to tell me that he built an ark because God flooded his neighborhood?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:41 pm**

Alikhaa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
That's not Global flooding.

It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.

There goes Genesis.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:41 pm**

Alikhaa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
That's not Global flooding.

It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.

Agreed. There are some things science cannot even answer. It can answer how but not why, while religion can explain both.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:41 pm**

Alikhaa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
That's not Global flooding.

It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.

We pretty much have. Sure, not every insignificant event, but a global flood would show up in the geological record. It doesn't.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:42 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:
Alikhaa wrote:
It could certainly seem like it, and it could have contributed to it. It's foolish to pretend we've got the entire history of the earth figured out. That's a very, very, very long time.

Agreed. There are some things science cannot even answer. It can answer how but not why, while religion can explain both.

Actually, religion has no explanatory power. Making things up does not constitute explaining. And what if there is no why?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:43 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:
Agreed. There are some things science cannot even answer. It can answer how but not why, while religion can explain both.

Religion explains neither.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:45 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Excellent dodge of the question. Evidence for gods from outer space wearing space gear, and who have you been reading?

For extra credit, can you think of a reason flood myths are found around the world?

1) I was watching Ancient Aliens on the History Channel. Seems pretty convincing if you watch it.
2) Because a global flood did happen, or else it would not appear in so many cultures.

1)

2) If the entire planet were covered in water, wouldn't we have evidence of that? I've never heard of any. Try thinking ice and global warming.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:45 pm**

What caused the Big Bang?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 pm**

Keronians wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
But when I asked you the question, "How much time did there have to happen for it to be a cause to the effect of the existence of God?", you told me "none".

And that is correct. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. Could you rephrase it?

You're telling me causation is required due to time. If everything has a cause, then God must be no exception. How do you measure time before God, so that God is the effect of a cause?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:What caused the Big Bang?

Nothing.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:What caused the Big Bang?

What caused god?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:47 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:What caused the Big Bang?

No idea, but they're trying to figure it out.

What caused God?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:47 pm**

Mavorpen wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:What caused the Big Bang?

Nothing.

My point exactly.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:48 pm**

By the way, what caused the big bang? I don't know. I don't even know if that is a sensical question. It might be like asking "what happened before time". But saying "god done it" doesn't explain anything, it's just making things up.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:48 pm**

Samuraikoku wrote:
Keronians wrote:
And that is correct. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. Could you rephrase it?

You're telling me causation is required due to time. If everything has a cause, then God must be no exception. How do you measure time before God, so that God is the effect of a cause?

An argument used is that God created time, and time only applies to the universe (his creation). Therefore, God is not bound to the limitations of time, so he requires no cause of his existence.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:48 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:
Nothing.

My point exactly.

So God doesn't exist?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:49 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:What caused the Big Bang?

We are not fully aware. However, that implies 'time' existed before the Big Bang.

It did not.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:49 pm**

Person012345 wrote:By the way, what caused the big bang? I don't know. I don't even know if that is a sensical question. It might be like asking "what happened before time". But saying "god done it" doesn't explain anything, it's just making things up.

God created us because he loves us and enjoys creating things, the Big Bang seems to have happened for no reason unless God caused it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:49 pm**

Mavorpen wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
My point exactly.

So God doesn't exist?

That is literally what he just said isn't it?

We have a deconversion. \o\

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:50 pm**

Magmia wrote:An argument used is that God created time, and time only applies to the universe (his creation). Therefore, God is not bound to the limitations of time, so he requires no cause of his existence.

And why can't that happen with the universe itself, eliminating the middle being? Why does there have to be a God?

A question someone has yet to answer.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:51 pm**

Person012345 wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:What caused the Big Bang?

What caused God?

God was originally a man, living in some other Universe. Then, he died and got exalted into godhood. Now he's God, or our god at least.

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:52 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:
Person012345 wrote:By the way, what caused the big bang? I don't know. I don't even know if that is a sensical question. It might be like asking "what happened before time". But saying "god done it" doesn't explain anything, it's just making things up.

God created us because he loves us and enjoys creating things, the Big Bang seems to have happened for no reason unless God caused it.

You see, you made that up. I farted, that's what caused the big bang. My hypothesis is precisely as likely as yours.

And no. Try to understand this - just because we don't know the answer yet does not mean that we cannot know the answer. It means that we don't have evidence yet. That doesn't mean you can make up god and slot him in there. Do you understand that?

Posted: **Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:52 pm**

Nordengrund wrote:
God created us because he loves us and enjoys creating things, the Big Bang seems to have happened for no reason unless God caused it.

So "what is the purpose of the universe" is a stupid question.

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