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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:29 am
by The Emerald Dragon
And people wonder why i have the view that the U.S are "imperialistic warmongers"

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:29 am
by Terra Sector Union
Herrebrugh wrote:No. Netherland should annex the United States.

Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:30 am
by Albaie
No that would just lead to huge loss in life on both sides.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:31 am
by Estado Paulista
The Emerald Dragon wrote:And people wonder why i have the view that the U.S are "imperialistic warmongers"


Because the OP was clearly posted by Barack Obama himself.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am
by The Fascist American Empire
The Great Warrior Rivers wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Is this even an actual question? Even if we did want to, the international community would disown us. And, we don't. It would cause more problems than it would solve.

1. Illegal immigration would not end. People would be jumping from both Canada and Central America.
2. The Czars would have an easier time distributing drugs because then there won't be a heavily guarded line between Mexico and the largest consumer of all, the United States.
3. Inflation, Inflation, Inflation! If you thought it was bad already, you haven't seen the beginning of it.
4. Brain drain. Not a lot of corporate CEO's come from pot-smoking, injecting junkies who live on the streets. It would be the American Dream however.
5. Mexicans are not stealing our jobs. Just our tax money.
6. So, was annexing Crimea a good thing with Russia, because that is what you are suggesting here. Riots will be everywhere. Trying to destabilize North America with it's peaceful relations is not a good thing to try to go out and accomplish.

**EDIT** Not to mention another war, which Americans do NOT want right now. It would be Vietnam in the 21st century.


1. I never said it would end. I said it would LARGELY end. BIG difference there. And why would Canadians leave for this hellhole?! :blink:
2. Not if the government takes control of the drug trade, thus making it easier to get it legally than illegally.
3. Yes. But did you know that paper is worthless without something to back it up? Something like say, precious metals I think?
4. You see an opportunity, you make a profit. Just because they aren't so now, that automatically means they wouldn't ever?
5. The "take" both. But the jobs thing is the popular argument.
Yes. Have you seen Ukraine lately? Besides, the majority of the Crimean people have always wanted to be a part of Russia, since the majority are Russian. You want to talk about Ukraine then go make your own thread.
7 And finally,you do realize that the "international community" is just a chihuahua that yaps when it doesn't get it's way. It kind of depends on the United States, Russia, or some other military power to back up anything.

As for the war, so what? When was the last time we went to war and people were ok with it? WWII I think?

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am
by Diopolis
Not unless America comes to it's senses and decides world unification is a good idea, in which case Mexico would be a good place to start. Otherwise, no.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am
by Kelinfort
No.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am
by Kuzestan
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:I think we should lead "drug busts" on illegals as in find them and deport them. let no one immigrate if their home country always turns up immigrates(you know what im talking about). we should also threaten mexico with a declaration of war. and then if illegals continue to come we take over mexico, thus ending illegal immigration(well a big chunk)


So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Some communists from the newly conquered mexican states would be a great addition to the US Congress, riiight?

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:32 am
by The Emerald Dragon
Estado Paulista wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:And people wonder why i have the view that the U.S are "imperialistic warmongers"


Because the OP was clearly posted by Barack Obama himself.


Not really, just i think the U.S' record over 50 years hasn't been particularly glowing in regards to invasions.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:33 am
by The Fascist American Empire
Terra Sector Union wrote:Wouldn't be good for America's reputation. The UN will cry imperialism if that ever happens.

Again, UN = yapping Chihuahua.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:33 am
by Herrebrugh
Terra Sector Union wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:No. Netherland should annex the United States.

Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?


Absolutely.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 am
by The Emerald Dragon
Herrebrugh wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?


Absolutely.


Yes, then we'll see the Republican's faces.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 am
by Estado Paulista
Herrebrugh wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:Why? So the US can have more prostitution in their streets?


Absolutely.


Don't forget the weed.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:34 am
by The Fascist American Empire
Kuzestan wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Some communists from the newly conquered mexican states would be a great addition to the US Congress, riiight?


Wouldn't make much difference. There'd still be immense deadlock and nothing would ever get done. :p

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:35 am
by Nervium
Kuzestan wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:
So this is what I've gotten from this, it is kind of hard to understand with the horrific grammar:

"We should threaten Mexico with war if they don't get their people in line and if immigration continues then we should invade and annex Mexico. Immigration problem solved."

Personally, I don't have a problem with immigrants, speak English and obey the law and you can stay, but I do see the advantages to this. It would be mutually beneficial as for the following reasons.
1. Illegal immigration will largely end (obviously).
2. Mexico's government is but a puppet of the drug cartels, who are constantly killing each other (who wouldn't emigrate away from that?). Thus, American annexation could help topple the drug czars.
3. Mexico and Peru are the world's largest producers of silver. Thus, a Mexican Annexation could easily bolster the economy.
4. If we legalize the drug trade and keep it under government control (no way I'd trust the private sector with this), then it would also boost the economy and completely destroy the economic empires of the cartels.
5. Perhaps we would be less concerned about Mexicans "taking our jobs" (jobs that nobody wants btw) if they are all U.S. citizens.
6. Mexico is in the midst of political and economic chaos, even more so than America, so if we just go in there and make Mexico a bunch of U.S. territories, then later states, we could fix their problems. Right? We did it with Iraq and sort of with Afghanistan.

And there are more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head right at the moment. So, Should the United States invade our neighbor to the South? If so, why? If not, why?

Some communists from the newly conquered mexican states would be a great addition to the US Congress, riiight?


Well, if you're assuming "it couldn't get any worse with the Tea Party now" then yes, actually.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:35 am
by Terra Sector Union
Estado Paulista wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Absolutely.


Don't forget the weed.

And the Leftism in general.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:36 am
by Fascist Russian Empire
The United States needs to be dissolved, not grow stronger.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:37 am
by New Terricon
Should Mexico annex the US? :)

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:37 am
by Order of pheonix
I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:38 am
by The Fascist American Empire
New Terricon wrote:Should Mexico annex the US? :)

Why are so many people asking that? They don't have the military, economic, or technological capacity to do that. Nicaragua maybe, but they aren't reclaiming Texas anytime soon.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:39 am
by Herrebrugh
Terra Sector Union wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Don't forget the weed.

And the Leftism in general.


Hahaha, Netherland is leftist! :rofl:

Oh my, you sure are great at making jokes.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:39 am
by The Fascist American Empire
Order of pheonix wrote:I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.

Thank you!

/point.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:39 am
by The Emerald Dragon
Order of pheonix wrote:I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.


Better idea.

Have Mexican soldiers supported by the U.S destroy the drug cartels.

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:40 am
by The Fascist American Empire
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Order of pheonix wrote:I think you guys are missing a major part of this: who america would be firing on. The mexican government is no big problem, with some efforts to improve education and living standards it could be beneficial for all. but the major reason for a military takeover rather than aid is drug cartels. the Mexican government is paralyzed by bribes/threats, and lack resources for taking down the cartels. if the US did it, even if not to take over mexico, just to prevent drugs from entering the states, it might not be the worst idea in the world.


Better idea.

Have Mexican soldiers supported by the U.S destroy the drug cartels.

Because that's working out well in Afghanistan. Oh wait…

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:40 am
by The Huskar Social Union
No.