NationStates

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alright, I'm gonna comment seriously on this now.

There's a thread like this every six months or so. Part of it is nostalgia; the people you recognise stop posting, you fall out of the loop with in-jokes, don't feel so connected etc. But certainly, since towards the end period of the Jolt era I feel like standards have dropped dramatically.

We've lost a lot of good posters. That's going to have an effect, and quality accumulated over years isn't going to be compensated for quickly. But it's more than that. I think it's a lot down to Forum 7. Not to say for a moment that it's a bad place or should be got rid of. But it's very much a separate community with relatively little overlap with NSG. In the past, we had social threads where we'd discuss non-political or non-'hard' news items. Now they pretty much get carted over to F7 without much question. So there's not much opportunity for generalites to hang out and get to know each other.

I remember in the past I was reasonably friendly with some posters on the right. It's because in the social threads we could talk about non-political things. You don't so much flame and troll people you feel that you know on some level. Along with the disappearance of the old 'core', this has created a situation where I feel the social element has gone, and it's effectively a dry debating club between people largely - like most of the population - incapable of quality debate. I fully admit I've got dragged into the mess of nothing but childish partisan bickering and that I've been part of the problem.

In reality, it's only habit that keeps me here, since the elements I used to enjoy are gone or severely diluted. A community takes a long time to build up, and I think if we want to re-establish it a lot of conscious work will have to come from all sides.

Buffett and Colbert wrote:

Nadkor wrote:The excruciating tightening of the rules on that front is definitely one of the major issues with NSG now. That and the fact that anything that seems even a little bit social or fun gets punted off to Forum 7, and fuck going to Forum 7.

That has merit. I hang around F7 too, but us Generalites are predominantly creatures of habit and wouldn't bother going to F7 to participate in threads like, for example, Dyakovo's sexiest poster thread. And it's no fun when no Generalites participate.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:F7 is pretty good.

greed and death wrote:

Saint Clair Island wrote:More like "if there were topics in NSG that weren't all Serious Business News Politics Discussion Show 24/7, there might be more of a sense of an actual NSG 'community' here, keeping us from alienating new posters and causing old posters like myself to strongly consider quitting", really.

It's not just that, though. A number of the posters I can think of from the "golden days" of NSG are still around, more or less. But they seem to have entirely lost any sense of humour/sarcasm and all they do is rehash the same arguments over and over again. Perhaps I was mistaken in my earlier assessment of them, mind.

It is a general problem. When you have to make the same arguments again and again, it gets boring and frustrating.
How many times has TCT and Neo Art had to explain any given point of law they have clarified?

Though this is just part of life, people tend to hold the same views and eventually you end up always holding the same conversations over and over again with them.

Yootwopia wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:F7 is pretty good.

No.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alright, I'm gonna comment seriously on this now.

There's a thread like this every six months or so. Part of it is nostalgia; the people you recognise stop posting, you fall out of the loop with in-jokes, don't feel so connected etc. But certainly, since towards the end period of the Jolt era I feel like standards have dropped dramatically.

We've lost a lot of good posters. That's going to have an effect, and quality accumulated over years isn't going to be compensated for quickly. But it's more than that. I think it's a lot down to Forum 7. Not to say for a moment that it's a bad place or should be got rid of. But it's very much a separate community with relatively little overlap with NSG. In the past, we had social threads where we'd discuss non-political or non-'hard' news items. Now they pretty much get carted over to F7 without much question. So there's not much opportunity for generalites to hang out and get to know each other.

I remember in the past I was reasonably friendly with some posters on the right. It's because in the social threads we could talk about non-political things. You don't so much flame and troll people you feel that you know on some level. Along with the disappearance of the old 'core', this has created a situation where I feel the social element has gone, and it's effectively a dry debating club between people largely - like most of the population - incapable of quality debate. I fully admit I've got dragged into the mess of nothing but childish partisan bickering and that I've been part of the problem.

In reality, it's only habit that keeps me here, since the elements I used to enjoy are gone or severely diluted. A community takes a long time to build up, and I think if we want to re-establish it a lot of conscious work will have to come from all sides.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alright, I'm gonna comment seriously on this now.

There's a thread like this every six months or so. Part of it is nostalgia; the people you recognise stop posting, you fall out of the loop with in-jokes, don't feel so connected etc. But certainly, since towards the end period of the Jolt era I feel like standards have dropped dramatically.

We've lost a lot of good posters. That's going to have an effect, and quality accumulated over years isn't going to be compensated for quickly. But it's more than that. I think it's a lot down to Forum 7. Not to say for a moment that it's a bad place or should be got rid of. But it's very much a separate community with relatively little overlap with NSG. In the past, we had social threads where we'd discuss non-political or non-'hard' news items. Now they pretty much get carted over to F7 without much question. So there's not much opportunity for generalites to hang out and get to know each other.

I remember in the past I was reasonably friendly with some posters on the right. It's because in the social threads we could talk about non-political things. You don't so much flame and troll people you feel that you know on some level. Along with the disappearance of the old 'core', this has created a situation where I feel the social element has gone, and it's effectively a dry debating club between people largely - like most of the population - incapable of quality debate. I fully admit I've got dragged into the mess of nothing but childish partisan bickering and that I've been part of the problem.

In reality, it's only habit that keeps me here, since the elements I used to enjoy are gone or severely diluted. A community takes a long time to build up, and I think if we want to re-establish it a lot of conscious work will have to come from all sides.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Yootwopia wrote:No.

Says you.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Buffett and Colbert wrote:That has merit. I hang around F7 too, but us Generalites are predominantly creatures of habit and wouldn't bother going to F7 to participate in threads like, for example, Dyakovo's sexiest poster thread. And it's no fun when no Generalites participate.

F7 is pretty good, but General seems mostly for arguing and having discussions.

Buffett and Colbert wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:F7 is pretty good, but General seems mostly for arguing and having discussions.

NSG wasn't before. And F7 used to be better.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Yootwopia wrote:No.

Says you.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Buffett and Colbert wrote:That has merit. I hang around F7 too, but us Generalites are predominantly creatures of habit and wouldn't bother going to F7 to participate in threads like, for example, Dyakovo's sexiest poster thread. And it's no fun when no Generalites participate.

F7 is pretty good, but General seems mostly for arguing and having discussions.

Cannot think of a name wrote:You know what never gets old? People complaining about 'old' shit on the forum...

greed and death wrote:It is a general problem. When you have to make the same arguments again and again, it gets boring and frustrating.
How many times has TCT and Neo Art had to explain any given point of law they have clarified?

Though this is just part of life, people tend to hold the same views and eventually you end up always holding the same conversations over and over again with them.

This is hardly the phenomenon that people think it is. New people come to the forum and have a topical discussion. Shocker, it may be something that has been covered in the seven or so years that the forum has existed and if you've managed to be here long enough some of that shit might actually look familiar.

It'd be fantastic if there was some sort of ever growing primer that would let new posters know what has been 'established' by the forum, but that's not how it works and honestly shouldn't be.

Honestly, this is just another flavor of bullshit 'punk rock cred.' "They were better when they were unsigned." "I was into them before they sold out." "When the forum was new too me it was fresh and exciting (never mind that to the posters that had been around for a while before you got here, you were just retreading all the things that had been going on long before you got there) and now it's all old hack..."

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alright, I'm gonna comment seriously on this now.

There's a thread like this every six months or so. Part of it is nostalgia; the people you recognise stop posting, you fall out of the loop with in-jokes, don't feel so connected etc. But certainly, since towards the end period of the Jolt era I feel like standards have dropped dramatically.

We've lost a lot of good posters. That's going to have an effect, and quality accumulated over years isn't going to be compensated for quickly. But it's more than that. I think it's a lot down to Forum 7. Not to say for a moment that it's a bad place or should be got rid of. But it's very much a separate community with relatively little overlap with NSG. In the past, we had social threads where we'd discuss non-political or non-'hard' news items. Now they pretty much get carted over to F7 without much question. So there's not much opportunity for generalites to hang out and get to know each other.

I remember in the past I was reasonably friendly with some posters on the right. It's because in the social threads we could talk about non-political things. You don't so much flame and troll people you feel that you know on some level. Along with the disappearance of the old 'core', this has created a situation where I feel the social element has gone, and it's effectively a dry debating club between people largely - like most of the population - incapable of quality debate. I fully admit I've got dragged into the mess of nothing but childish partisan bickering and that I've been part of the problem.

In reality, it's only habit that keeps me here, since the elements I used to enjoy are gone or severely diluted. A community takes a long time to build up, and I think if we want to re-establish it a lot of conscious work will have to come from all sides.

Nadkor wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Says you.

And anyone with half an ounce of common fucking sense.

greed and death wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:You know what never gets old? People complaining about 'old' shit on the forum...

This is hardly the phenomenon that people think it is. New people come to the forum and have a topical discussion. Shocker, it may be something that has been covered in the seven or so years that the forum has existed and if you've managed to be here long enough some of that shit might actually look familiar.

It'd be fantastic if there was some sort of ever growing primer that would let new posters know what has been 'established' by the forum, but that's not how it works and honestly shouldn't be.

Honestly, this is just another flavor of bullshit 'punk rock cred.' "They were better when they were unsigned." "I was into them before they sold out." "When the forum was new too me it was fresh and exciting (never mind that to the posters that had been around for a while before you got here, you were just retreading all the things that had been going on long before you got there) and now it's all old hack..."

Well there is a difference between a topic being revisited with old ideas being addressed and new ones added to and the exact same poster making the exact same bogus legal claim with only a slight modification of the facts.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Nadkor wrote:
And anyone with half an ounce of common fucking sense.

Explain why you're against F7.

Yootwopia wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Explain why you're against F7.

Because its raison d'être appears to be to allow fucking terribly written role-playing, making sure that the inept speak to at least one person with tits in their adolescent life who isn't their mum (Nana, natch), and boosting postcounts to OVER 9000 LOL.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Nadkor wrote:
And anyone with half an ounce of common fucking sense.

Explain why you're against F7.

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:

Yootwopia wrote:Because its raison d'être appears to be to allow fucking terribly written role-playing, making sure that the inept speak to at least one person with tits in their adolescent life who isn't their mum (Nana, natch), and boosting postcounts to OVER 9000 LOL.

Your post count doesn't increase in F7. F7 posts don't count.

Yootwopia wrote:

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Explain why you're against F7.

Because its raison d'être appears to be to allow fucking terribly written role-playing, making sure that the socially self-disadvantaged speak to at least one person with tits in their adolescent life who isn't their mum (Nana, natch), and boosting postcounts to OVER 9000 LOL.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alright, I'm gonna comment seriously on this now.

There's a thread like this every six months or so. Part of it is nostalgia; the people you recognise stop posting, you fall out of the loop with in-jokes, don't feel so connected etc. But certainly, since towards the end period of the Jolt era I feel like standards have dropped dramatically.

We've lost a lot of good posters. That's going to have an effect, and quality accumulated over years isn't going to be compensated for quickly. But it's more than that. I think it's a lot down to Forum 7. Not to say for a moment that it's a bad place or should be got rid of. But it's very much a separate community with relatively little overlap with NSG. In the past, we had social threads where we'd discuss non-political or non-'hard' news items. Now they pretty much get carted over to F7 without much question. So there's not much opportunity for generalites to hang out and get to know each other.

I remember in the past I was reasonably friendly with some posters on the right. It's because in the social threads we could talk about non-political things. You don't so much flame and troll people you feel that you know on some level. Along with the disappearance of the old 'core', this has created a situation where I feel the social element has gone, and it's effectively a dry debating club between people largely - like most of the population - incapable of quality debate. I fully admit I've got dragged into the mess of nothing but childish partisan bickering and that I've been part of the problem.

In reality, it's only habit that keeps me here, since the elements I used to enjoy are gone or severely diluted. A community takes a long time to build up, and I think if we want to re-establish it a lot of conscious work will have to come from all sides.

That was well written.

The problem is that many people, including Generalites, complained about some of the topics being posted on NSG. That they were too lite or too much bent on 'socializing'. Hence we get F7. F7 is not a hard place to navigate. But many a Generalite won't do this, they won't give it the time of day. So yes, the place has become a separate community. But it's no fault of F7ners, I see them cross to NSG when they feel like debating. I consider myself a Generalite and I have no problems going from one board to the other. It seems the rest of NSG doesn't think the same way.

Nadkor wrote:

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
That was well written.

The problem is that many people, including Generalites, complained about some of the topics being posted on NSG. That they were too lite or too much bent on 'socializing'. Hence we get F7. F7 is not a hard place to navigate. But many a Generalite won't do this, they won't give it the time of day. So yes, the place has become a separate community. But it's no fault of F7ners, I see them cross to NSG when they feel like debating. I consider myself a Generalite and I have no problems going from one board to the other. It seems the rest of NSG doesn't think the same way.

That'll be because your an obnoxious, vacuous, attention whore, but whatever.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:F7 is not a hard place to navigate.