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Tekeristan wrote:

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:If a pandemic is severe enough the secession movements may make a full restoration of the U.S impossible.

Well, doesn't mean that they wouldn't be 'liberated' by the overwhelming strength of the U.S army, or convinced to join the country of old. So things would prove interesting.

The thing about pandemics is the probability of desertion by people to go back home, and be with their families or die with them (if they are already dead).

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
Well they can eat those or bullets.

How about I take your stuff with the help of some friends?

Probably lose a few family members from this, and justifiably go mad with rage.

I would just like to say, you don't want to raid my place. Some of the food is poisoned and only I know which is which.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:How about I take your stuff with the help of some friends?

Probably lose a few family members from this, and justifiably go mad with rage.

I would just like to say, you don't want to raid my place. Some of the food is poisoned and only I know which is which.

So, you are storing completely useless things?

The Conez Imperium wrote:Personally, I'd take the Solar flare scenario because that's the least disastrous of them all. Society unlike a nuclear holocaust or zombie apocalypse has not been completely destroyed yet.

For one, everything on the side of the Earth experiencing daytime would have their electronic devices destroyed. Nighttime side, not so much. If it hit America, it'd basically revert to a third-world country, but Asia would still be perfectly fine.

Also, that's a terrible time to live in. Not only could your nation be invaded, but literally all electronics would be eliminated. Cars? No can do, most modern cars are run by internal computers. Phones? Nope. Internet? Nope. Any form of communication short of smoke signals? Gone. Electricity out. No lights. No food preservation, either, unless you'd like to convert completely to iceboxes. It'd be passable in the daytime, MAYBE, but our world's become too "big" to be effective after a flare. Everyone's too spread apart now. We're dependent on electrical items now.

Solar flare is definitely the LEAST passable option. You go straight to the stone age. No thanks.

I'm not passing judgement for other options, but I just needed to clarify this.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
I would just like to say, you don't want to raid my place. Some of the food is poisoned and only I know which is which.

So, you are storing completely useless things?

Nothing is useless if you put your mind to it.

Drawkland wrote:

The Conez Imperium wrote:Personally, I'd take the Solar flare scenario because that's the least disastrous of them all. Society unlike a nuclear holocaust or zombie apocalypse has not been completely destroyed yet.

For one, everything on the side of the Earth experiencing daytime would have their electronic devices destroyed. Nighttime side, not so much. If it hit America, it'd basically revert to a third-world country, but Asia would still be perfectly fine.

Also, that's a terrible time to live in. Not only could your nation be invaded, but literally all electronics would be eliminated. Cars? No can do, most modern cars are run by internal computers. Phones? Nope. Internet? Nope. Any form of communication short of smoke signals? Gone. Electricity out. No lights. No food preservation, either, unless you'd like to convert completely to iceboxes. It'd be passable in the daytime, MAYBE, but our world's become too "big" to be effective after a flare. Everyone's too spread apart now. We're dependent on electrical items now.

Solar flare is definitely the LEAST passable option. You go straight to the stone age. No thanks.

I'm not passing judgement for other options, but I just needed to clarify this.

The others revert you to the stone age too, but do it to everyone.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
Then they can eat their own corpses.

Or they can force their way into a a farm (who would stop them) and eat there before moving on, or, better yet, make an agreement with the farmers to harvest the crop in exchange for part of it.

The farmers will probably shoot them if they try to steal (or the entire region will, if they form that city state.) "make an agreement with the farmers to harvest the crop in exchange for part of it". Right, like you could control your mob and stop them from looting everything. With this rinse and repeat cycle of robbery and death on your route, most (if not all of you) will die.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
I would just like to say, you don't want to raid my place. Some of the food is poisoned and only I know which is which.

So, you are storing completely useless things?

Not useless in the event that I lose, then I have the last laugh as you kill yourselves with your ill-gotten gains.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:Or they can force their way into a a farm (who would stop them) and eat there before moving on, or, better yet, make an agreement with the farmers to harvest the crop in exchange for part of it.

The farmers will probably shoot them if they try to steal (or the entire region will, if they form that city state.) "make an agreement with the farmers to harvest the crop in exchange for part of it". Right, like you could control your mob and stop them from looting everything. With this rinse and repeat cycle of robbery and death on your route, most (if not all of you) will die.

The farmers going to shoot 200,000 people (the number of people who crossed at the Danube, according to ancient historians)? If the Eastern Roman Empire can't stop them, a few farmers aren't going to.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:So, you are storing completely useless things?

Not useless in the event that I lose, then I have the last laugh as you kill yourselves with your ill-gotten gains.

It is taking up space that you could use to store more food for yourself. And since, presumably, you wouldn't tell the people looting you this, it wouldn't actually help you, and make you more likely to be targeted.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:So, you are storing completely useless things?

Not useless in the event that I lose, then I have the last laugh as you kill yourselves with your ill-gotten gains.

Some of us will have nothing to lose.

Especially if a pandemic kills everyone you know, and we embrace the psychotic nature of tribalism.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Drawkland wrote:For one, everything on the side of the Earth experiencing daytime would have their electronic devices destroyed. Nighttime side, not so much. If it hit America, it'd basically revert to a third-world country, but Asia would still be perfectly fine.

Also, that's a terrible time to live in. Not only could your nation be invaded, but literally all electronics would be eliminated. Cars? No can do, most modern cars are run by internal computers. Phones? Nope. Internet? Nope. Any form of communication short of smoke signals? Gone. Electricity out. No lights. No food preservation, either, unless you'd like to convert completely to iceboxes. It'd be passable in the daytime, MAYBE, but our world's become too "big" to be effective after a flare. Everyone's too spread apart now. We're dependent on electrical items now.

Solar flare is definitely the LEAST passable option. You go straight to the stone age. No thanks.

I'm not passing judgement for other options, but I just needed to clarify this.

The others revert you to the stone age too, but do it to everyone.

Zombie apocalypse, pandemic, possibly nuclear holocaust, climate change, super volcano, possibly alien/robot invasion, all keep modern technology, to a degree. While in a lot of these, shit's really fucked up and in many cases you're being pursued by some sort of antagonizing being, you can still drive away in a car. While you don't necessarily have to run away from anything, you'll still be running a lot. I feel bad for all the urbanized people who have to take the stairs everywhere and don't have bikes.

I mean, life will probably suck worse in other situations, but effectively solar flare turns into a massive famine (since lots of food will go bad with no preservation techniques available, and it's hard to transport food when you can't drive). Perhaps relief efforts from the fortunate side of the world would help, but the world economy will be decimated, and it's very likely a lot of people will die (especially those living far inland, like mid-US) as they won't be reached in time.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
The farmers will probably shoot them if they try to steal (or the entire region will, if they form that city state.) "make an agreement with the farmers to harvest the crop in exchange for part of it". Right, like you could control your mob and stop them from looting everything. With this rinse and repeat cycle of robbery and death on your route, most (if not all of you) will die.

The farmers going to shoot 200,000 people (the number of people who crossed at the Danube, according to ancient historians)? If the Eastern Roman Empire can't stop them, a few farmers aren't going to.

Think about. We are not talking about a 'FEW' farmers. Those people are being killed off by the native populations in droves the entire journey. What if ,say, they come upon a united county of 30,000 armed people. Most of them would die at that point.

Simply, I wouldn't. If it's the "end of the world" nothing would survive.

Cill Airne wrote:Simply, I wouldn't. If it's the "end of the world" nothing would survive.

'As you know it' is implied.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:The farmers going to shoot 200,000 people (the number of people who crossed at the Danube, according to ancient historians)? If the Eastern Roman Empire can't stop them, a few farmers aren't going to.

Think about. We are not talking about a 'FEW' farmers. Those people are being killed off by the native populations in droves the entire journey. What if ,say, they come upon a united county of 30,000 armed people. Most of them would die at that point.

30,000 people aren't going to beat 200,000. And they aren't going to be killed in droves by anybody because nobody is stupid enough to attack 200,000 people.

I would try, and unite people in a common religion. The worship of the founding fathers I don't see why not. Some people already do it.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
Think about. We are not talking about a 'FEW' farmers. Those people are being killed off by the native populations in droves the entire journey. What if ,say, they come upon a united county of 30,000 armed people. Most of them would die at that point.

30,000 people aren't going to beat 200,000. And they aren't going to be killed in droves by anybody because nobody is stupid enough to attack 200,000 people.

30,000 armed (with guns) people, your marauders aren't likely to be armed with guns, seeing as they came from a city. And the people won't be attacking them, they will be defending.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:30,000 people aren't going to beat 200,000. And they aren't going to be killed in droves by anybody because nobody is stupid enough to attack 200,000 people.

30,000 armed (with guns) people, your marauders aren't likely to be armed with guns, seeing as they came from a city. And the people won't be attacking them, they will be defending.

>thinking there are no guns in the city
lolwut

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
30,000 armed (with guns) people, your marauders aren't likely to be armed with guns, seeing as they came from a city. And the people won't be attacking them, they will be defending.

>thinking there are no guns in the city
lolwut

Not likely, I said. Not impossible. And RIFLES (which your opponents have) will probably be unheard of. Besides, our original discussion was about the MAJOR cities (New York, Los Angeles, etc.)

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
30,000 armed (with guns) people, your marauders aren't likely to be armed with guns, seeing as they came from a city. And the people won't be attacking them, they will be defending.

>thinking there are no guns in the city
lolwut

Something tells me the marauders aren't going to have very decent battle plans, and are probably going to break fairly quickly if things go wrong.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:>thinking there are no guns in the city
lolwut

Something tells me the marauders aren't going to have very decent battle plans, and are probably going to break fairly quickly if things go wrong.

Exactly. Versus people defending everything they have with a coordinated defense.

Zeon Refounded wrote:

United Marxist Nations wrote:>thinking there are no guns in the city
lolwut

Not likely, I said. Not impossible. And RIFLES (which your opponents have) will probably be unheard of. Besides, our original discussion was about the MAJOR cities (New York, Los Angeles, etc.)

You've clearly never been to a gun store in a major city. The things are loaded with long rifles.

As for battle plans, those didn't really help the Romans either.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
Not likely, I said. Not impossible. And RIFLES (which your opponents have) will probably be unheard of. Besides, our original discussion was about the MAJOR cities (New York, Los Angeles, etc.)

You've clearly never been to a gun store in a major city. The things are loaded with long rifles.

As for battle plans, those didn't really help the Romans either.

The Romans didn't have guns easily converted to fire full retard.

United Marxist Nations wrote:

Zeon Refounded wrote:
Not likely, I said. Not impossible. And RIFLES (which your opponents have) will probably be unheard of. Besides, our original discussion was about the MAJOR cities (New York, Los Angeles, etc.)

You've clearly never been to a gun store in a major city. The things are loaded with long rifles.

As for battle plans, those didn't really help the Romans either.

Romans didn't have AR-15s.