Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:03 amThat's sexist. u_u
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:03 amPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:06 amPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:14 amLaerod wrote:Risottia wrote:
Garcia is an American citizen; isn't he bound to observe American laws even when outside the US jurisdiction, at least in some way?
Also, since the FIFA HQ is in Zuerich, his contract with the FIFA is likely to fall under the jurisdiction of the Cantonal Court - let's say in the case of a civil lawsuit.
The question would then be whether his confidentiality agreement allows him to pass on information to parliamentarians or not. Probably not.
My assumption would be his contact would allow fifa to sue for more than he was paid. The contract would also specify what court has jurisdiction. My guess would be a fifa one. (OK not really a fifa one but I am sure it would be one chosen by fifa).
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:40 amNothing much new there. I note the Havelange era.
Though I guess one can't blame FIFA for things like the 1978 WC nin Argentina, what with the junta not establishing itself until a decade after selection.
Though I guess one can't blame FIFA for things like the 1978 WC nin Argentina, what with the junta not establishing itself until a decade after selection.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:42 am[/quote]The Archregimancy wrote:I believe Garcia has a way of publishing his report without breaking relevant laws.
He could, hypothetically, provide a copy to a member of parliament in a Westminster-style democracy that has the legal concept of parliamentary privilege. This would encompass the UK, Australia, and Canada - though the case is of most direct interest to the first two.
That member of parliament could then release the contents of the report in the course of his or her normal legislative duties without fear of criminal prosecution.
I'd be grateful (seriously) if anyone could point out a potential flaw in this, other than the opprobrium FIFA would likely launch at the relevant MP.
For reference (lightly edited from Wikipedia):
Parliamentary privilege (also absolute privilege) is a legal immunity enjoyed by members of certain legislatures, in which legislators are granted protection against civil or criminal liability for actions done or statements made in the course of their legislative duties. It is common in countries whose constitutions are based on the Westminster system. A similar mechanism is known as parliamentary immunity.
In the United Kingdom, it allows members of the House of Lords and House of Commons to speak freely during ordinary parliamentary proceedings without fear of legal action on the grounds of slander, contempt of court or breaching the Official Secrets Act. It also means that members of Parliament cannot be arrested on civil matters for statements made or acts undertaken as an MP within the grounds of the Palace of Westminster, on the condition that such statements or acts occur as part of a proceeding in Parliament—for example, as a question to the Prime Minister in the House of Commons. This allows Members to raise questions or debate issues which could slander an individual, interfere with an ongoing court case or threaten to reveal state secrets.
There is no immunity from arrest on criminal grounds.
Similar rights apply in other Westminster system countries such as Canada and Australia. In the United States, the Speech or Debate Clause in Article One of the United States Constitution provides for a similar privilege, and many state constitutions provide similar clauses for their state legislatures.
Parliamentary privilege is controversial because of its potential for abuse; a member can use privilege to make damaging allegations that would ordinarily be discouraged by defamation laws, without first determining whether those allegations have a strong foundation.
The obvious flaw being if it's illegal to release the report it's illegal to release the report, whether Garcia gives the report to 1, 10 1000 people, whether they are MPs or not or to the general public on a website.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:02 amCould they be any more corrupt?
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:04 amToronina wrote:Could they be any more corrupt?
Imagine if they accepted bribes for what kids get to accompany the stars onto the field at the beginning and then proceeded to secretly auction off the kids to the highest bidder while telling their parents they were off at a sports camp. That the parents have to pay for.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:10 amLaerod wrote:Toronina wrote:Could they be any more corrupt?
Imagine if they accepted bribes for what kids get to accompany the stars onto the field at the beginning and then proceeded to secretly auction off the kids to the highest bidder while telling their parents they were off at a sports camp. That the parents have to pay for.
I asked a question and this is the best answer I could have. Jeez, I'm not even a soccer fan. Holding a Tournament, in the Middle East?
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:16 amLaerod wrote:Toronina wrote:Could they be any more corrupt?
Imagine if they accepted bribes for what kids get to accompany the stars onto the field at the beginning and then proceeded to secretly auction off the kids to the highest bidder while telling their parents they were off at a sports camp. That the parents have to pay for.
Don't give them any ideas.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:18 amEthel mermania wrote:Laerod wrote:Imagine if they accepted bribes for what kids get to accompany the stars onto the field at the beginning and then proceeded to secretly auction off the kids to the highest bidder while telling their parents they were off at a sports camp. That the parents have to pay for.
Don't give them any ideas.
If they became that evil, rest assured the Swiss would have some form of referendum requiring their castration or at the very least a reform of the accountability of organizations such as FIFA (and possibly the IOC).
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:29 amAnd they say I am a dreamer
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:41 amThe Nihilistic view wrote:
The obvious flaw being if it's illegal to release the report it's illegal to release the report, whether Garcia gives the report to 1, 10 1000 people, whether they are MPs or not or to the general public on a website.
Yes, that is the obvious flaw.
I suppose I was assuming an underlying scenario where the relevant MP acquires the report via a means that leaves Garcia's hands clean; but since the report's only been seen by four people (allegedly), I'm not sure how we get to that point.
So we can find a means whereby the contents can be revealed, but not necessarily a means to get the report to the person who does the revealing.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:45 amPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:47 amPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:36 amThe Archregimancy wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
The obvious flaw being if it's illegal to release the report it's illegal to release the report, whether Garcia gives the report to 1, 10 1000 people, whether they are MPs or not or to the general public on a website.
Yes, that is the obvious flaw.
I suppose I was assuming an underlying scenario where the relevant MP acquires the report via a means that leaves Garcia's hands clean; but since the report's only been seen by four people (allegedly), I'm not sure how we get to that point.
So we can find a means whereby the contents can be revealed, but not necessarily a means to get the report to the person who does the revealing.
I think the most likely way that nobody gets prosecuted or sued would be if a hacker decides they want to get hold of the files somehow (There must be electronic versions of the report in a few places) and then leak them. If there is a hacker that loves football and hates FIFA out there.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:01 pmNow this is an interesting development:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football
The president of the German Football League says that UEFA should leave FIFA if the Garcia report isn't published in full.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football
The president of the German Football League says that UEFA should leave FIFA if the Garcia report isn't published in full.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:48 pmThe Archregimancy wrote:Now this is an interesting development:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football
The president of the German Football League says that UEFA should leave FIFA if the Garcia report isn't published in full.
It might just be talk intended as pressure. Rauball is only the head of the League, not the German Soccer Association, so his word doesn't carry quite as much weight and he made sure to use words such as "earnestly considered" and "discussed" when referring to UEFA leaving. I'm hoping other voices chime in to lend the idea support.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:16 pmLaerod wrote:Toronina wrote:Could they be any more corrupt?
Imagine if they accepted bribes for what kids get to accompany the stars onto the field at the beginning and then proceeded to secretly auction off the kids to the highest bidder while telling their parents they were off at a sports camp. That the parents have to pay for.
Sepp? Is that you?
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:23 pmSports bodies always tend to be full of corruption these days, including FIFA, so whatever the report exposes wouldn't surprise me.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:39 pmThe Archregimancy wrote:Now this is an interesting development:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football
The president of the German Football League says that UEFA should leave FIFA if the Garcia report isn't published in full.
I can't say i'm surprised, it's not just the anglophiles that are pissed off at FIFA, other nations do have standards as well. we shall see how many other people in European leagues and national Associations agree with him. Perhaps this is the day that a seed for an alternative to FIFA is planted?
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:43 pmAll the FIFA executives are corrupt bride taking thieves. The Olympics committee is the same.
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:00 pmEthel mermania wrote:Laerod wrote:Imagine if they accepted bribes for what kids get to accompany the stars onto the field at the beginning and then proceeded to secretly auction off the kids to the highest bidder while telling their parents they were off at a sports camp. That the parents have to pay for.
Don't give them any ideas.
How do you know they're not doing exactly that?
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:22 pmPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:49 pmI hope the FBI investigation results in a US prosecution of some sort in which the Garcia report is subpœnaed and entered into the public record.
If that were to happen somehow, then under the IFAB Statutes adopted this year, the four British associations can expel FIFA from IFAB by a unanimous vote, eliminating FIFA’s authority over the Laws of the Game.
(emphasis added) Now there’s a novel accusation…
The Archregimancy wrote:Now this is an interesting development:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... y-football
The president of the German Football League says that UEFA should leave FIFA if the Garcia report isn't published in full.
If that were to happen somehow, then under the IFAB Statutes adopted this year, the four British associations can expel FIFA from IFAB by a unanimous vote, eliminating FIFA’s authority over the Laws of the Game.
FutureAmerica wrote:All the FIFA executives are corrupt bride taking thieves. The Olympics committee is the same.
(emphasis added) Now there’s a novel accusation…
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:10 amOf course. There is another option here.
FIFA is sparkly clean and innocent, a symbol of virtue in sports.
Garcia, being an evil American lawyer, plans to destroy The Game by releasing false information that paints FIFA in a bad light, ensuring the rise of Baseball and Gridiron on the global stage to spread Imperialist America's conquest of global culture.
And all FIFA is trying to do is to defend our freedom against the American behemoth, to protect The Game from American commercialisation, and to let us all enjoy peaceful and fun times playing and watching football.
And then we condemn it for this...
The hero we need but do not deserve~
FIFA is sparkly clean and innocent, a symbol of virtue in sports.
Garcia, being an evil American lawyer, plans to destroy The Game by releasing false information that paints FIFA in a bad light, ensuring the rise of Baseball and Gridiron on the global stage to spread Imperialist America's conquest of global culture.
And all FIFA is trying to do is to defend our freedom against the American behemoth, to protect The Game from American commercialisation, and to let us all enjoy peaceful and fun times playing and watching football.
And then we condemn it for this...
The hero we need but do not deserve~