US Gen. Election Thread V: The Hunt for Red October Surprise

[Corrian]

Stein is not anti-vaccines. She may pedal a bit to conspiracy theorists a bit but she is really not that anti vaccines herself. Less so than the Green party itself I think.

[Eol Sha]

Lou Dobbs of CNBC fame called Evan McMullin a "Globalist, Romney and Mormon Mafia Tool".

[Nusaresa]

>jill stein
>anti-vaxxer
>pro homeopathy

im disappoint :c

i considered voting socialist or some other left-wing party but i don't think any of them can attract too much attention

also i don't need to agree with someone on everything lol otherwise i would never ever vote

what sort of pulled me over was this change to their platform

from this

Sustaining our quality of life, economic prosperity, environmental health, and long-term survival demands that we adopt new ways of doing business. We need to remake commerce to encourage diversity and variety, responding to the enormous complexity of global and local conditions. Big business is not about appropriateness and adaptability, but about power and market control. Greens support small business, responsible stakeholder capitalism, and broad and diverse forms of economic cooperation. We argue that economic diversity is more responsive than big business to the needs of diverse human populations.

to this

The Green Party seeks to build an alternative economic system based on ecology and decentralization of power, an alternative that rejects both the capitalist system that maintains private ownership over almost all production as well as the state-socialist system that assumes control over industries without democratic, local decision making. We believe the old models of capitalism (private ownership of production) and state socialism (state ownership of production) are not ecologically sound, socially just, or democratic and that both contain built-in structures that advance injustices.

Instead we will build an economy based on large-scale green public works, municipalization, and workplace and community democracy. Some call this decentralized system ecological socialism, communalism, or the cooperative commonwealth, but whatever the terminology, we believe it will help end labor exploitation, environmental exploitation, and racial, gender, and wealth inequality and bring about economic and social justice due to the positive effects of democratic decision making.

Production is best for people and planet when democratically owned and operated by those who do the work and those most affected by production decisions. This model of worker and community empowerment will ensure that decisions that greatly affect our lives are made in the interests of our communities, not at the whim of centralized power structures of state administrators or of capitalist CEOs and distant boards of directors. Small, democratically run enterprises, when embedded in and accountable to our communities, will make more ecologically sound decisions in materials sourcing, waste disposal, recycling, reuse, and more. Democratic, diverse ownership of production would decentralize power in the workplace, which would in turn decentralize economic power more broadly.

The Greens of the US iirc are moderately anti-nuclear if not vehemently against nuclear power. I mean these (acts of policy) are more important than party principle and basic ideology.

An ecologically sound policy does not base itself on principle, rather by evidence and action. Without first laying a framework of environmental awareness and getting youth and children knowledge on how the environment works and the necessary investment and 'courting' business big and small to switch to environmentally friendly means, a high principle such as those held by the Green Party cannot take off.

My concern is that no matter how principled they may be, the general population is far too ignorant, careless, and apathetic to the ideals and goals. A framework based on action and awareness is needed. Not lofty goals, out of touch from the people and business.

[Nusaresa]

Stein is not anti-vaccines. She may pedal a bit to conspiracy theorists a bit but she is really not that anti vaccines herself. Less so than the Green party itself I think.

It still is a very undesirable stance to hold.

[Gauthier]

Lou Dobbs of CNBC fame called Evan McMullin a "Globalist, Romney and Mormon Mafia Tool".

Mormon Mafia? Is that why all the missionaries wear nice suits?

[Eol Sha]

The Daily Beast published an article that reveals Jill Stein has investments in the fossil fuel and defense industries. Most of them are mutual funds, but some of them are direct investments. Stein did release a statement commenting on the article. Long story short, she didn't deny the revelations. In fact, she confirmed them.

So, I watched TYT's video on this before reading the article. I, to no one's surprise, like Cenk's take on it.

My bigger issue is that everyone thinks politicians should be these moral bastions of morality, including Cenk. He sounds like he's saying "yea she's not perfect", but more in an apologetics tone as in "holy shit someone's gotta backpedal".

No, say it like it is. Politicians are politicians, they seek your vote. That's what they do with rhetoric and in the campaign trail. If you think politicians and candidates for any race at any level of government are not going to promise you the moon and the stars, you're naïve. You have to know how to discern between what's empty ideology and actual practical policy.

Many people, liberals and conservatives, don't get that. It's not bad to say "everyone does it" when it comes to people wanting your vote on your campaign trail. That's what they are supposed to do. And it's not bad either to vote for anyone who supports your policies at a practical level. Again, that is what you are supposed to do.

Personally, I agree with Cenk. I think it does mean a bit more when the candidate is running on platform of ideological and moral purity.

[Arumdaum]

i considered voting socialist or some other left-wing party but i don't think any of them can attract too much attention

also i don't need to agree with someone on everything lol otherwise i would never ever vote

what sort of pulled me over was this change to their platform

from this



to this

The Greens of the US iirc are moderately anti-nuclear if not vehemently against nuclear power. I mean these (acts of policy) are more important than party principle and basic ideology.

An ecologically sound policy does not base itself on principle, rather by evidence and action. Without first laying a framework of environmental awareness and getting youth and children knowledge on how the environment works and the necessary investment and 'courting' business big and small to switch to environmentally friendly means, a high principle such as those held by the Green Party cannot take off.

My concern is that no matter how principled they may be, the general population is far too ignorant, careless, and apathetic to the ideals and goals. A framework based on action and awareness is needed. Not lofty goals, out of touch from the people and business.

tbh i mostly do this so dems feel pressured to move left; i don't expect greens to govern anytime soon

[Nusaresa]

The Greens of the US iirc are moderately anti-nuclear if not vehemently against nuclear power. I mean these (acts of policy) are more important than party principle and basic ideology.

An ecologically sound policy does not base itself on principle, rather by evidence and action. Without first laying a framework of environmental awareness and getting youth and children knowledge on how the environment works and the necessary investment and 'courting' business big and small to switch to environmentally friendly means, a high principle such as those held by the Green Party cannot take off.

My concern is that no matter how principled they may be, the general population is far too ignorant, careless, and apathetic to the ideals and goals. A framework based on action and awareness is needed. Not lofty goals, out of touch from the people and business.

tbh i mostly do this so dems feel pressured to move left; i don't expect greens to govern anytime soon

Pressuring the Dems to move left won't make any real impact on better environmental policy.

[New Chalcedon]

Apparently, Johnson doesn't want to close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center. Seriously bro, what the hell? The more I learn about this guy, the more I find his positions distasteful.

That...honestly surprises me coming from him. What the hell?

Maybe he plans to stick Congress in there?

[New Chalcedon]

Stein is not anti-vaccines. She may pedal a bit to conspiracy theorists a bit but she is really not that anti vaccines herself. Less so than the Green party itself I think.

It still is a very undesirable stance to hold.

What, that the FDA approval process is a case of regulatory capture by Big Pharma, and that that is a bad thing? You may consider it undesirable, but it is reality-based.

[The Liberated Territories]

Next thread title:

US Gen. Election Thread VI: The End of the End

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Dunno If this has been posted already, but I can't help but think I will miss Obama's sass in office.

[New Chalcedon]

Dunno If this has been posted already, but I can't help but think I will miss Obama's sass in office.

Lol - that's actually funny

[Nusaresa]

Dunno If this has been posted already, but I can't help but think I will miss Obama's sass in office.

spill that tea

[The Alma Mater]

Dunno If this has been posted already, but I can't help but think I will miss Obama's sass in office.

Of course, IF Trump wins, he will say goodbye to Obama with a firm "you're fired"

[AiliailiA]

Next thread title:

US Gen. Election Thread VI: The End of the End

You might think. Because this thread has lasted 17 days and isn't quite full. Therefore the next one can't last less than 10 days. So it will be the last before Election Day.

I wouldn't be so sure. Things could get hectic.

[The Liberated Territories]

Next thread title:

US Gen. Election Thread VI: The End of the End

You might think. Because this thread has lasted 17 days and isn't quite full. Therefore the next one can't last less than 10 days. So it will be the last before Election Day.

I wouldn't be so sure. Things could get hectic.

Then we'll go, "End of the End of the End..."

[Hittanryan]

Dunno If this has been posted already, but I can't help but think I will miss Obama's sass in office.

Of course, IF Trump wins, he will say goodbye to Obama with a firm "you're fired"

At this point I think a Trump victory would have to involve most of Washington DC on fire, sirens blaring and sporadic gunfire in the background, with Trump at the head of an armored spearhead consisting of giant robots with bad toupees, powered by money. His robot is pointing a massive arm cannon at the White House as he says his catchphrase. Soundtrack

[AiliailiA]

You might think. Because this thread has lasted 17 days and isn't quite full. Therefore the next one can't last less than 10 days. So it will be the last before Election Day.

I wouldn't be so sure. Things could get hectic.

Then we'll go, "End of the End of the End..."

I tried to think of a better title, but couldn't think of anything without a political nickname in it.

[IceBuddha]

Then we'll go, "End of the End of the End..."

I tried to think of a better title, but couldn't think of anything without a political nickname in it.

"This is the future you chose"

[The Lone Alliance]

I tried to think of a better title, but couldn't think of anything without a political nickname in it.

"This is the future you chose"

"Remember, Remember, the 8th of November"

[Philjia]

Still pushing for the title to be "The Audacity of Hype".

[Corrian]

Then we'll go, "End of the End of the End..."

It's the End of the End of the End

The Beginning is the End is the Beginning

The End of the Beginning

...Okay, I'm done.

[Corrian]

I find it weird that things are kinda narrowing again. Clinton is down to a 82% chance to win, and Ohio is very even again. Why is it such a damn rollercoaster? What do people do, forget and move on from the bullshit of the debates and the video that came out?

I dunno, it's weird...I just want this election cycle over with.

[The Portland Territory]

I dunno, it's weird...I just want this election cycle over with.

You said it