Is Islam a Religion of Peace

[Elepis]

I'm just gonna leave this here

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Hahahhahahahahaha


You forget the:
northern crusade,
the Albegensian crusade,
the Hussite Crusade,
the Varna Crusade,
the Crusade of Nicopolis,
Livonian Crusade,
Prussian Crusade,
Bosnian Crusade
and those are just the MAIN ones you missed

[Nariterrr]

Demons. Sure.

When Muhammad was in Mount Hira, he thought that he was possessed by demons. His wife convinced him that it was angel Gabriel (which it wasn't). Also Muslims don't worship the same god as Christians or Jews... They worship an old pagan tribal moon god called Allah.

No, they don't. Muslims are members of the Abrahamic faith, almost all religious scholars have agreed that Islam is an Abrahamic faith. Add to that the fact that the Church recognizes that Muslims follow the same God.

[Aelex]

Or, you know, the internal collapse of the Umayyads for reasons entirely unrelated the the French.

Except the Umayads weren't driven out of Septimanie and Aquitaine just because of their political problem.

[Socialist Federative Slavia]

It`s not. AT ALL.
It promotes conquest and forced conversion of as many people as possible into Islam.

Judaism is just as violent, however, and so is Christianity. Christ was actually just reffering to Jews when he said ''love thy neighbor'' He also repeatedly stated how much he loved the old testament, and the old testament allows Jews to enslave anyone who isn`t Jewish, not to mention sell their daughters into permanent full chattel slavery.

If anything you could claim Islam is somewhat less violent and significantly less mysogynistic than Judeo-Christianity.

At least Muhammad invented the world`s first true welfare state (zakat welfare tax used to pay for freeing slaves, feeding paupers and converting more people), and told people that freeing slaves is a way to have your sins forgiven, and also that you should free your slaves in general and never use your female slaves as prostitutes. Also, unlike the old testament you can`t force rape victims to marry their rapists, and some historical islamic jurists classified rape as a form of terrorism. In one hadith Muhammad even condemns a rapist to death just on the testimony of the victim.
He also outlawed loan sharking, which was a big source of slavery as well.

Of course Muhammad also allowed his soldiers to own slaves and rape their slave-girls, which he did as well. By our standards he was evil, but he was significantly better than most people of his time, especially the monstrosity of ancient Rome and Greece.
He deserves more praise than utter butchers like Alexander the Great and Caesar, but his ideology by no means has any legitimacy today.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

All religions at there very core are good in nature. It's the extremists who are bad from every religion.

/thread

Islam at its very core is a violent religion made for empire-building.

...Proof?

[IndependentGreenland]

When Muhammad was in Mount Hira, he thought that he was possessed by demons. His wife convinced him that it was angel Gabriel (which it wasn't). Also Muslims don't worship the same god as Christians or Jews... They worship an old pagan tribal moon god called Allah.

No, they don't. Muslims are members of the Abrahamic faith, almost all religious scholars have agreed that Islam is an Abrahamic faith. Add to that the fact that the Church recognizes that Muslims follow the same God.

Maybe the church under traitor Pope Francis but not the original church. Muslims shouldn't be a member of the Abrahamic religions...

[Nariterrr]

I'm just gonna leave this here

(Image)

Hahahhahahahahaha


You forget the:
northern crusade,
the Albegensian crusade,
the Hussite Crusade,
the Varna Crusade,
the Crusade of Nicopolis,
Livonian Crusade,
Prussian Crusade,
Bosnian Crusade
and those are just the MAIN ones you missed

He forgot everything except the First crusade and all the battles Christians lost.

[Nariterrr]

No, they don't. Muslims are members of the Abrahamic faith, almost all religious scholars have agreed that Islam is an Abrahamic faith. Add to that the fact that the Church recognizes that Muslims follow the same God.

Maybe the church under traitor Pope Francis but not the original church. Muslims shouldn't be a member of the Abrahamic religions...

Muslims believe in the story of Abraham, they believe in Moses, Jesus, etc. They are Abrahamic.

[IndependentGreenland]

Hahahhahahahahaha


You forget the:
northern crusade,
the Albegensian crusade,
the Hussite Crusade,
the Varna Crusade,
the Crusade of Nicopolis,
Livonian Crusade,
Prussian Crusade,
Bosnian Crusade
and those are just the MAIN ones you missed

He forgot everything except the First crusade and all the battles Christians lost.

Even if we count those, the crusades were a justified way to defend Europe from being Islamified. Now once again, Europe is being Islamified today.

[Aelex]

I'm just gonna leave this here

(Image)

Hahahhahahahahaha


You forget the northern crusade, the Albegensian crusade, the Hussite Crusade, the Varna Crusade, the Crusade of Nicopolis, Livonian Crusade, Prussian Crusade, Bosnian Crusade and those are just the MAIN ones you missed

I mean, sure, if you want you may also add the First French-Aragonese War in your list of Crusades because Philippe le Hardi was friend enough with the Pope to get a holy war declared on his behalf. That don't change the fact that it still isn't considered as one of the Nine, recognized as so, Crusades.

[Quokkastan]

Or, you know, the internal collapse of the Umayyads for reasons entirely unrelated the the French.

Except the Umayads weren't driven out of Septimanie and Aquitaine just because of their political problem.

No. They became unable to effectively project force into Septimanie and Aquitaine "just because" of their political problem.

Defeating them is just a formality after that.

[Elepis]

No, they don't. Muslims are members of the Abrahamic faith, almost all religious scholars have agreed that Islam is an Abrahamic faith. Add to that the fact that the Church recognizes that Muslims follow the same God.

Maybe the church under traitor Pope Francis but not the original church. Muslims shouldn't be a member of the Abrahamic religions...

You do realise the consider all the Christian and Jewish prophets prophets of Islam as well? Including Jesus

[Quokkastan]

He forgot everything except the First crusade and all the battles Christians lost.

Even if we count those, the crusades were a justified way to defend Europe from being Islamified. Now once again, Europe is being Islamified today.

If the Crusades were about defending Europe, they would have started 400 years earlier.

[IndependentGreenland]

Maybe the church under traitor Pope Francis but not the original church. Muslims shouldn't be a member of the Abrahamic religions...

Muslims believe in the story of Abraham, they believe in Moses, Jesus, etc. They are Abrahamic.

They have a false and messed-up version of the story of Abraham. They worship one of the 365 Arabic tribe gods.

[Elepis]

He forgot everything except the First crusade and all the battles Christians lost.

Even if we count those, the crusades were a justified way to defend Europe from being Islamified. Now once again, Europe is being Islamified today.

You do realise most of those were either against fellow Christians or European pagans?

[Mefpan]

So 14 pages in.

Can anyone tell me why it matters whether Islam is a religion of peace? Why it matters if the Koran has violent passages in it?

And before anyone answers, consider how much violence there is in video games, on TV, in movies, and in books. Consider the examples we are shown every day of heroes solving their problems with violence, of people celebrated for hurting and killing any and all who wrong them.

I'm intrigued and terrified in equal measure by a hypothetical society that bases its moral code on Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo and Counter Strike.

Or, heavens forbid, the Duke Nukem games, for the fingerless handful of people who remember more of that franchise than Forever.

[Heavenhold]

Even if we count those, the crusades were a justified way to defend Europe from being Islamified. Now once again, Europe is being Islamified today.

If the Crusades were about defending Europe, they would have started 400 years earlier.

It's quite difficult to get alot of people to leave their homes unless the violence is right at their door step.

[IndependentGreenland]

Even if we count those, the crusades were a justified way to defend Europe from being Islamified. Now once again, Europe is being Islamified today.

If the Crusades were about defending Europe, they would have started 400 years earlier.

That's because we Christians can tolerate Jihad up to a certain point...

[Nationalist Gold Union]

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/
Wenzel Strategies (2012):
58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land. http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/1 ... expression
ICM Poll:
40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html
Pew Research (2010):
82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/
WZB Berlin Social Science Center:
65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/ ... amentalism
Pew Global (2006)
68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865
World Public Opinion (2009)
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf
NOP Research:
62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
People Press Surveys
31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/ ... -iraq-war/
Belgian HLN
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/art ... baar.dhtml
ICM Poll:
25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... 0Nov04.asp
Pew Research (2007):
26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Al-Jazeera (2006):
49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
Populus Poll (2006):
16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist
GfK NOP:
28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf
NOP Research:
68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
MacDonald Laurier Institute:
62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/st ... -in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-goo ... in-canada/
al-Arabiya:
36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/ ... 66274.html
Gallup:
38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/poli ... -us-really
Policy Exchange:
1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVE ... wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

[Elepis]

If the Crusades were about defending Europe, they would have started 400 years earlier.

That's because we Christians can tolerate Jihad up to a certain point...

do you know what Jihad even is?

[IndependentGreenland]

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/
Wenzel Strategies (2012):
58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land. http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/1 ... expression
ICM Poll:
40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html
Pew Research (2010):
82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/
WZB Berlin Social Science Center:
65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/ ... amentalism
Pew Global (2006)
68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865
World Public Opinion (2009)
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf
NOP Research:
62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
People Press Surveys
31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/ ... -iraq-war/
Belgian HLN
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/art ... baar.dhtml
ICM Poll:
25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/20 ... 0Nov04.asp
Pew Research (2007):
26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Al-Jazeera (2006):
49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
Populus Poll (2006):
16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist
GfK NOP:
28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf
NOP Research:
68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
MacDonald Laurier Institute:
62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/st ... -in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-goo ... in-canada/
al-Arabiya:
36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/ ... 66274.html
Gallup:
38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/poli ... -us-really
Policy Exchange:
1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVE ... wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Nice!

[Equalaria]

Islam itself is inherently peaceful and tolerant. It's the institution of straight white men oppressing the peoples of this religion that cause them to act out in violence. The institution of white supremacy brings out the worst in all religions.

[IndependentGreenland]

That's because we Christians can tolerate Jihad up to a certain point...

do you know what Jihad even is?

Islamic conquest against the kafr.

[Elepis]

If the Crusades were about defending Europe, they would have started 400 years earlier.

That's because we Christians can tolerate Jihad up to a certain point...

also, the bloodiest Crusade was against a Christian sect

[Heavenhold]

If the Crusades were about defending Europe, they would have started 400 years earlier.

That's because we Christians can tolerate Jihad up to a certain point...

Because the Bible promotes love towards other people, even from different religions.