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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 04, 2016 4:07 am

Val Halla wrote:... Is this really a big deal? I don't get what's so "Ermagerd pc gone mad" about this at all.

Gay people exist. PC GONE MAD!


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Ifreann wrote:The public pressure we're talking about in this thread, obviously.

Do at least try to keep up.


I checked op links and this is just a small thing in twitter. I don't think that we can call it public pressure considering that Disney movies are being shown worldwide to huge audiences.

Well, if you want a company to act like a small amount of public pressure isn't actually public pressure then you can just make your own company.
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Postby Teemant » Wed May 04, 2016 4:08 am

Ifreann wrote:
Val Halla wrote:... Is this really a big deal? I don't get what's so "Ermagerd pc gone mad" about this at all.

Gay people exist. PC GONE MAD!


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I checked op links and this is just a small thing in twitter. I don't think that we can call it public pressure considering that Disney movies are being shown worldwide to huge audiences.

Well, if you want a company to act like a small amount of public pressure isn't actually public pressure then you can just make your own company.


If you want a big company to give in to non-existent public pressure so I guess you could make your own.
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Postby AiliailiA » Wed May 04, 2016 4:10 am

Disney does do sequels, there was Lion King 2. Considering I mentioned Lion King in the same paragraph I have to laugh at myself for that.

Isn't it rather weak to be asking for lesbian characters, when the Bible has nothing against lesbians? When most straight men find the concept of lesbians to be either amusing or sexually exciting, and even straight women aren't often confronted by the existence of lesbians? If you want to insert more "real world" characters into Disney, surely you'd want the more common male homosexuals, and/or male bisexuals, to be the standard bearer?

Maybe I'm sexist in this, but isn't discrimination and violence against male gay/bi people a bigger problem than discrimination and violence against female lesbian/bi people?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 04, 2016 4:15 am

Well I wanted "Let it Go" to be changed to "Fuck it All" and have her go postal with a machine gun around Arendelle. Portrayals of mass murder aside, this doesn't really sound like it has much of an appeal outside of a few loudmouthed Twitter users. I'm sure Disney's the sort of company that will milk a franchise for what it's worth but I seriously doubt it'd go so far as to make Elsa an LGBT character. Not really enough people to justify it, especially when the same sorts of people are calling out Disney on it's long list of white princesses.
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Postby Zoice » Wed May 04, 2016 4:17 am

People demand things of writers. Like Jon Snow surviving. Or Elsa having a girlfriend. Who the fuck cares, way to overreact to "Them durn SJWPCPolice".
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Postby Slakonian » Wed May 04, 2016 4:19 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Well I wanted "Let it Go" to be changed to "Fuck it All" and have her go postal with a machine gun around Arendelle. Portrayals of mass murder aside, this doesn't really sound like it has much of an appeal outside of a few loudmouthed Twitter users. I'm sure Disney's the sort of company that will milk a franchise for what it's worth but I seriously doubt it'd go so far as to make Elsa an LGBT character. Not really enough people to justify it, especially when the same sorts of people are calling out Disney on it's long list of white princesses.


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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 04, 2016 4:19 am

Teemant wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gay people exist. PC GONE MAD!



Well, if you want a company to act like a small amount of public pressure isn't actually public pressure then you can just make your own company.


If you want a big company to give in to non-existent public pressure so I guess you could make your own.

It appears you've missed my point entirely. Ah well.
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Postby Trourhiel » Wed May 04, 2016 4:21 am

Let's be sincere, if they were asking for more hetero romance you would not be triggered in the slightest. I do not believe Offended Inc here is on the people simply asking something on twitter. "Public Pressure" is inherent to the act of being a public company, you put grape jelly in the market and people will say "yeah that is great, but do you think strawberry jelly is also possible?", its not the end of the world, its demand and supply 101.

Also, homosexual character = propaganda? :eyebrow:
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Postby Indira » Wed May 04, 2016 4:21 am

What's the point? No disrespect, but why make such a big thing out of ANYONE having a girlfriend from their cast? The story isn't FOCUSED on that type of love.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed May 04, 2016 4:24 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Well I wanted "Let it Go" to be changed to "Fuck it All" and have her go postal with a machine gun around Arendelle. Portrayals of mass murder aside, this doesn't really sound like it has much of an appeal outside of a few loudmouthed Twitter users. I'm sure Disney's the sort of company that will milk a franchise for what it's worth but I seriously doubt it'd go so far as to make Elsa an LGBT character. Not really enough people to justify it, especially when the same sorts of people are calling out Disney on it's long list of white princesses.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 04, 2016 4:28 am

Indira wrote:What's the point? No disrespect, but why make such a big thing out of ANYONE having a girlfriend from their cast? The story isn't FOCUSED on that type of love.

The story of the sequel that hasn't been made yet? Not sure we can speak to what that's about.
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Postby Grande Republic of Arcadia » Wed May 04, 2016 4:33 am

Australian Republic wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/frozen-2-people-are-campaigning-to-make-elsa-the-first-lgbt-princess-in-disneys-history-a7009046.html
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/ma ... riend-lgbt
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alisoncaporimo ... dubk5oJk0g

This week, Offended Inc. have released their newest political correctness campaign- make beloved children's movie character, Elsa, from the Disney Movie, Frozen, an LGBT character and give her a girlfriend. (Yes, this is a serious campaign, welcome to the 21st Century) Now really? Is there a need to make a children's Movie character a lesbian? I mean seriously?
There's even a hashtag #giveelsagirlfriend I mean seriously, is there really a need to push your political agenda on children and shove LGBT propoganda down their throats? You do realise it's a children's movie right? Where do you stand on this, NSG?

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Disney doesn't want it. The self-righteous political correctness lobby are trying to force it upon it

EDIT: I don't know whether or not Disney have decided about whether or not they want it

So why is the LGBT community getting pissed about it? It is a childrens move and i doubt children would react more if the character was lesbian and they wouldnt care, and if Disney dosnt want to they dont have to do it, thats like telling your kid they have to gay so the gay kids fit in
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed May 04, 2016 4:40 am

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This is of course perfectly logical and not crazy at all.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed May 04, 2016 4:41 am

Pfft, this is dumb, everybody knows #ElsaLovesthePenis, after all doesn't she sing that song Let it Grow? :rofl:
But seriously, Disney should do what they want, it's their story to tell.

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Postby Camelza » Wed May 04, 2016 4:42 am

Costa Fierro wrote:Well I wanted "Let it Go" to be changed to "Fuck it All" and have her go postal with a machine gun around Arendelle.

Here you go. ...short of.

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Postby Donut section » Wed May 04, 2016 4:45 am

I'm still at a loss as to why anyone would care about romantic associations in stories. They rarely ever improve a story. It seems to be a common problem with stories these days.

You could fill this part of the story with character development, plot development or any other number of interesting things. But no, you gotta waste time showing who is waxing who's carpet. And all the boring over politicised crap that comes with it.

Like this Elsa character is some sort of magic user. How about we throw in a rocky type montage of her becoming bad arse sorceress of the year. Or a meditative spiritual quest.

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Postby Trourhiel » Wed May 04, 2016 4:45 am

Isn't the whole thing centred on the character Elsa simply because it's a character with no set relationship and who hasn't shown interested in one genre or another?

I have to say it has been a long time since I last watched Frozen but as far as I remember the whole romance subplot was with the sister, not Elsa.

Therefore, should there be a movie 2 with a romance subplot, what is the problem in saying "hey, if the interest was a girl it would be cool as ice"? Seems to be a popular choice with magical females nowadays anyway, just ask Japan :roll:

Again, if there was a third young male character and people were saying "hey if there is a movie 2, he and Elsa should hang out" I doubt people would be classifying it as vile public pressure / holding poor, defenceless Disney at gun point
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Postby San Marxos » Wed May 04, 2016 4:48 am

Sichem wrote:But Elsanna is already a thing that people really really push for, right?

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Postby Victores » Wed May 04, 2016 4:50 am

There should be ~26 lesbian disney character, there are ~ 3600 disney character. The percentage of LGBTs are at 3.5%. Pretending that children can't be LGBT, bigoted I know, but the numbers only exist for adults. After multiplying that percent by the number of characters, you would get the number of LGBTs: ~126. Now, not all LGBT are lesbian so dividing by 5 should narrow it down to about, ~26
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 04, 2016 4:58 am

Grande Republic of Arcadia wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/frozen-2-people-are-campaigning-to-make-elsa-the-first-lgbt-princess-in-disneys-history-a7009046.html
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/ma ... riend-lgbt
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alisoncaporimo ... dubk5oJk0g

This week, Offended Inc. have released their newest political correctness campaign- make beloved children's movie character, Elsa, from the Disney Movie, Frozen, an LGBT character and give her a girlfriend. (Yes, this is a serious campaign, welcome to the 21st Century) Now really? Is there a need to make a children's Movie character a lesbian? I mean seriously?
There's even a hashtag #giveelsagirlfriend I mean seriously, is there really a need to push your political agenda on children and shove LGBT propoganda down their throats? You do realise it's a children's movie right? Where do you stand on this, NSG?

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Disney doesn't want it. The self-righteous political correctness lobby are trying to force it upon it

EDIT: I don't know whether or not Disney have decided about whether or not they want it

So why is the LGBT community getting pissed about it? It is a childrens move and i doubt children would react more if the character was lesbian and they wouldnt care,

That would kinda be the point. Teach kids that gay people exist and aren't disgusting freaks by having a gay character in a kids' movie who isn't a disgusting freak.
and if Disney dosnt want to they dont have to do it, thats like telling your kid they have to gay so the gay kids fit in

Who exactly is saying that Disney has to do this? Are you criticising imaginary people for their imaginary behaviour?


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I love it how you missed the sarcasm and you eeplied to it withnsarcasm, thinking it was serious

I love how you're ignoring basically every serious response to your OP.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed May 04, 2016 5:04 am

People want what they care about to happen to characters they care about. What's new?

I have a sister who is very into TV show "ships". If you'd seen how rabid people can get that their favourite characters aren't canon couples, this would not surprise you.

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Postby Mienon » Wed May 04, 2016 5:10 am

This isn't political correctness. They can petition Disney all they want. It's dumb, but there's no point in giving them more attention than they deserve.
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Australian Republic wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/frozen-2-people-are-campaigning-to-make-elsa-the-first-lgbt-princess-in-disneys-history-a7009046.html
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/ma ... riend-lgbt
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alisoncaporimo ... dubk5oJk0g

This week, Offended Inc. have released their newest political correctness campaign- make beloved children's movie character, Elsa, from the Disney Movie, Frozen, an LGBT character and give her a girlfriend. (Yes, this is a serious campaign, welcome to the 21st Century) Now really? Is there a need to make a children's Movie character a lesbian? I mean seriously?
There's even a hashtag #giveelsagirlfriend I mean seriously, is there really a need to push your political agenda on children and shove LGBT propoganda down their throats? You do realise it's a children's movie right? Where do you stand on this, NSG?

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Disney doesn't want it. The self-righteous political correctness lobby are trying to force it upon it

EDIT: I don't know whether or not Disney have decided about whether or not they want it

Except your own sources don't show anyone getting offended. They've really only suggested the idea in an entirely non-confrontational way. If you must have some queers to bash, have a go at the "dead lesbian/bury your gays" people. They're genuinely trying to stifle creativity, harassing people off social media, and throwing silly accusations around.

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