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How do you explain religion/God/ethics?

Postby Madre Terra » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:59 am

This is not a thread about "My religion is the best, you are going to hell...", but to expose your personal views about religion, God And ethics - not necessary to include all of the three in it.

I will begin with my example:
Religion for me is about doing the best you can for the ones in need, because if you read religious books, all of them, be it monotheistic, be it polytheistic, be it whatever, there is a single rule equal to all of them. In fact, this rule is so common that I believe to be some kind of universal principle: "Love each other as you love yourself". The rest, in my point of view, is cultural.
Based on that, God don't care about if you pray to him/her/it, how many times per day, in what direction or in what position. He/she/it don't care what kind of clothing you use. He/she/it don't care about what you eat. He/she/it don't care about what is your sex or sexuality. He/she/it don't care about temples and sacrifices, fasting, what caste you are born or if you will try to search for illumination. Because God don't have religion - he/she/it is energy. To understand my point of view, there is a phrase I like to use: "God is the force that are in everything, binds everything, keeps the universe together and it's greatest expression is life". So, no I don't like instutionalized religion (Catholic church and others of the same style of organization) but I believe that atheists have a better moral compass then religious people, because a religious person will do good or to escape hell/place of condemnation/reincarnation in a lesser state, or to go to heaven (what ever it is)/transcendence/enlightment, while a atheist will do good for the sake of helping a fellow human being, without reward.
So resuming: religious books and laws suck, love each other, help for the sake of helping.

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Postby Khadgar » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:00 am

Religion is the pre-science method of explaining how the world works.

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Postby The Life Planets Union » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:02 am

Religion and gods are ways to explain the world and offer an escape from mortality. I would join the spiritualists if i could be convinced their beliefs are scientifically valid.
Ethics are based on a need to survive in a society. As someone on this forum once said, "Some live and let live; me, I just live."
I do as I please within the confines of my own vague standards and pleasures and whatever the societal authorities let me get away with.
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Postby Suicune » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:04 am

Khadgar wrote:Religion is the pre-science method of explaining how the world works.


This, and probably also to enforce certain behaviours.
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Postby Reagan-land » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:04 am

albeit that is an interesting point of view, do disagree. An Athiest isn't automatically more morale than any religious person on the sole basis that they are being nice not because they want to escape hell, but because they are doing it from the goodness of there heart. I would say its irrelevant because a good deed is a good deed no matter who does it.


edit: Since I am no atheist, nor have I been involved in a lot of religons, I can't say much about explaining ALL religion. To be honest, if I had to just make a broad claim that applies to every religion, new and old, I would either say its a faith in a benevolent, greater force, or as someone else said, a pre-scientific explanation for the world and universe, a prime example being greek mythology.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:05 am

Religion in the broad sense is merely one aspect of the human experience, and the experience of other sapient species throughout the universe as well.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:05 am

religion is a way of getting others to behave the way you think they should without having to justify it. "its god's will"
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Postby The Life Planets Union » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:05 am

Suicune wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Religion is the pre-science method of explaining how the world works.


This, and probably also to enforce certain behaviours.

It gives justification to the quirks of a society.
ex- "hey why do men have a right to women? well THE BENX WILLS IT!"
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:07 am

Ashmoria wrote:religion is a way of getting others to behave the way you think they should without having to justify it. "its god's will"

That doesn't explain much at all.

Especially for religions like to Jainism which doesn't believe in forced conversions or creator deities.
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Postby Suicune » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:07 am

Reagan-land wrote:albeit that is an interesting point of view, do disagree. An Athiest isn't automatically more morale than any religious person on the sole basis that they are being nice not because they want to escape hell, but because they are doing it from the goodness of there heart. I would say its irrelevant because a good deed is a good deed no matter who does it.


Doing something for the sole reason it is the right thing to do isn't better than doing it so that you won't be thrown into fiery pits and tortured for eternity?
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:20 am

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:religion is a way of getting others to behave the way you think they should without having to justify it. "its god's will"

That doesn't explain much at all.

Especially for religions like to Jainism which doesn't believe in forced conversions or creator deities.

and Jainism doesn't have massive numbers of rules that you are expected to follow?
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Postby Cruithneach » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:27 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:That doesn't explain much at all.

Especially for religions like to Jainism which doesn't believe in forced conversions or creator deities.

and Jainism doesn't have massive numbers of rules that you are expected to follow?


Well, yes, it does. Things like "Keep an open mind" "Hurt no living thing" and "Don't get attached to material things"
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:29 am

Religion for me is an unfortunate side effect of human irrationality.
While I accept that it can do good, I think that the bad it causes outweighs the good, particularly considering that there are other philosophies that can provide the same good with minimal bad.
See humanism.

That said, I am more than happy to let people believe what they want to believe and practice what they want to practice on the condition that it does not cause harm. Up to and including the perpetuation of ignorance. To clarify, actively working to keep others uneducated.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:31 am

Cruithneach wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:and Jainism doesn't have massive numbers of rules that you are expected to follow?


Well, yes, it does. Things like "Keep an open mind" "Hurt no living thing" and "Don't get attached to material things"


and don't they have day-to-day ways of making that happen?
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Postby Dahon » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:33 am

"Religion is an age-old field of imaginative speculation, utterly inseparable from storytelling and possibly even the creation of words, that purports to explain how things, people, places, et cetera, come to be. That some people make a point of worshipping their own words is a side effect, but not necessarily a harmful one. That some others claim such craft irrational -- well, I don't quite get it either."
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:38 am

Dahon wrote:"Religion is an age-old field of imaginative speculation, utterly inseparable from storytelling and possibly even the creation of words, that purports to explain how things, people, places, et cetera, come to be. That some people make a point of worshipping their own words is a side effect, but not necessarily a harmful one. That some others claim such craft irrational -- well, I don't quite get it either."


it seems to me that the stronger the religion is in a particular society the more likely it is to have very harmful effects.
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Postby Daffyflippingduck » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:01 am

Religion is that thing your family badgers you into doing every sunday instead of letting you sleep in like god intended.

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Postby Radiatia » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:05 am

Religion: Made up stories to scare large groups of people into accepting and complying with authority.

God: Made up character to explain unexplained phenomenon and occasionally underpin the threats given by the aforementioned religions.

Ethics: Exist thanks to a combination of natural altruism and social conditioning.

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Postby Dahon » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:11 am

Ashmoria wrote:it seems to me that the stronger the religion is in a particular society the more likely it is to have very harmful effects.


People can create the heaven and hell they want, so long as they're aware that their heavens and hells are among the multitudes. I myself these days -- I'm more interested in the detritus of etymologies -- trying to ram in the pre-Lovecraft Nodens and Yakumo Yukari into a harmonious whole is proving fun. That, or I need more Highlander fare.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:34 am

Dahon wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:it seems to me that the stronger the religion is in a particular society the more likely it is to have very harmful effects.


People can create the heaven and hell they want, so long as they're aware that their heavens and hells are among the multitudes. I myself these days -- I'm more interested in the detritus of etymologies -- trying to ram in the pre-Lovecraft Nodens and Yakumo Yukari into a harmonious whole is proving fun. That, or I need more Highlander fare.

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and in what ways are you doing that?
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:09 am

My take, as an atheist, is that religion was once the sum of all human wisdom. Useful laws, history, our best understanding of the world, health advice, etc.. But gradually everything practical gets stripped out to stand on its own, so gradually what remains becomes less useful and more unrealistic. Not an original viewpoint, I think it is called god of the gaps, but it makes sense to me.
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Postby The Foxes Swamp » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:55 am

religion is about control of the ignorant and its worked really well so far.

no religion represents god(whatever that is or isnt).

my parents taught me right from wrong and they werent religious but they were probably influenced by religion.

personally it seems obvious to me that god (whatever that is or isnt) could care less what you believe about anything but could possibly be more interested in how you act, i know i am more interested in how you act.
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Postby Sheyt Clor » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:06 am

Religion is the belief of a god/gods and following the holy laws according to that God/Gods example the ten commandments.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:12 am

Khadgar wrote:Religion is the pre-science method of explaining how the world works.

It has also evolved into a method to perpetuate social traditions and roles.

Aka opiate of the masses. ;)
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Postby Aethrys » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:54 am

At best, a quaint ancient worldview that can provide some intriguing insight into fledgling cultures.

At worst, a tool to control large numbers of people into committing unspeakable atrocities while claiming moral superiority. And, of course, as the late L. Ron Hubbard put it, a fantastic way to make a lot of money.
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