NYPD to form heavily armed anti-terror/protestor unit

[The 502nd SS]

My guess is that the media has no idea what a machine gun is, they think anything faster than a musket is a machine gun. The article most likely used the wrong term, its most likely a gun like the M4 and not the M2 Browning

[The Emerald Dawn]

My guess is that the media has no idea what a machine gun is, they think anything faster than a musket is a machine gun

The Police spokesman used the word, not the media.

[Autonomous Titoists]

You make a fair point it is preventable but we shouldn't continue sacrificing freedoms for temporary safety, Benjamin Franklin approved.

So we should get ride of all of the police, because they take away liberty and give temporary safety.

Here is the thing, what they are proposing is essentially reorganizing and buying some equipment that is just an improvement on wha they already have.

Yes it is but its going to be something they will want to pull out I know cops I'm related to some when they get new toys they want to see them in action. I'm not against them getting armor and machine guns South Fulton TN (buttfuck nowhere) has that, I don't want what everyone lese is saying oppressive psychos on armored vehicles with Ma Deuces mounted on the top.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Let's see... "one of the longest and bloodiest events in American police history". Because, clearly, police must be able to deal with singular, historical events using equipment they have lying around. Might as well give 'em MANPADS so they can prevent another attack like 9/11. /nods.

But what we see in practice is that when we let cops play soldier, they misuse their weapons, using overkill against innocent citizens.

Police do go up against armed individuals, and sometimes they have to go up against armed individuals under adverse circumstances. Giving the good equipment (which really is all rifles and body armor is) dramatically increases the effectiveness of the police in those situations. I'm not suggesting manpads or explosives, and as far as I can tell neither is the NYPD.

You just pointed out we can't judge things based off of a single instance, so please provide proof that police SWAT teams regularly misuse their equipment. Not to mention that training had little to do with the flashbang landing in the crib.

Here ya go:

But in the one state [Maryland] where we do have the date, here’s what we know:

• Since the law passed in 2009, the data have consistently shown that on average there are about 4.5 SWAT raids each day in Maryland.

• Prince George’s County alone averaged well over one SWAT raid each day in 2012 (510 in total).

• In 2012, nearly 90 percent of the SWAT raids in Maryland were to serve search warrants.

• About two of every three SWAT raids used forced entry.

• Half the SWAT deployments in 2012 were for “Part II” crimes, the nonviolent class of crimes. The vast majority of those raids were to serve search warrants on people suspected of drug offenses.

• In 22 raids in 2012, or a little over one percent of the total, a law enforcement officer fired his gun.

• About 15 percent of the raids in 2012 resulted in no seized contraband of any kind. About a third of the raids resulted in no arrests. The Maryland law doesn’t track what charges resulted in the raids that did produce arrests, but past reviews of SWAT raids by local newspapers suggest that only a small percentage of raids result in felony charges.

In short, give the cops soldier stuff, they think they're soldiers. Then they start misusing their toys to justify having them. You don't need SWAT to serve search warrants non-violent offenders. In fact, you really shouldn't be using them except when somebody is shooting back or reasonably expected to do so, not "well, somebody might shoot back, maybe...".

[Autonomous Titoists]

My guess is that the media has no idea what a machine gun is, they think anything faster than a musket is a machine gun

The Police spokesman used the word, not the media.

Yeah even though they still already have guns capable of fully automatic fire so people are making a big deal really out of nothing because it has already happened, literally every major city and most unimportant cities have quite the firepower at their disposal.

[Infected Mushroom]

so long as even one person is bombed, its not overblown

the state has an obligation to avenge the death of innocents

You're aware that a lot of terrorist attacks are revenge based, right? Your logic justifies terrorism.

You can’t take revenge by targeting innocents. That’s immoral.

[Spirit of Hope]

So we should get ride of all of the police, because they take away liberty and give temporary safety.

Here is the thing, what they are proposing is essentially reorganizing and buying some equipment that is just an improvement on wha they already have.

Yes it is but its going to be something they will want to pull out I know cops I'm related to some when they get new toys they want to see them in action. I'm not against them getting armor and machine guns South Fulton TN (buttfuck nowhere) has that, I don't want what everyone lese is saying oppressive psychos on armored vehicles with Ma Deuces mounted on the top.

But that isn't what the article is talking about. It is like worrying that Obama will make a Death Star because NASA wants to go back to the moon.

[The 502nd SS]

My guess is that the media has no idea what a machine gun is, they think anything faster than a musket is a machine gun

The Police spokesman used the word, not the media.

He's either a idiot or what the fuck is wrong with them

I support the police but I don't think they need a real machine gun, maybe assault rifles but defiantly not machine guns.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

*facepalm* I think they'll use different equipment for terrorists and protesters...

[Autonomous Titoists]

Yes it is but its going to be something they will want to pull out I know cops I'm related to some when they get new toys they want to see them in action. I'm not against them getting armor and machine guns South Fulton TN (buttfuck nowhere) has that, I don't want what everyone lese is saying oppressive psychos on armored vehicles with Ma Deuces mounted on the top.

But that isn't what the article is talking about. It is like worrying that Obama will make a Death Star because NASA wants to go back to the moon.

You're correct, most of this is being blown out of proportion

[The Sotoan Union]

Protect the political cartoonists.

[Gauthier]

so long as even one person is bombed, its not overblown

the state has an obligation to avenge the death of innocents

No it doesn't, that's insane.

And people expect something different from a Martin fanboy's take on criminal justice?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

And when that global killing asteroid hits, none of it is gonna matter anymore. Seriously, equating terrorism with natural phenomena and marginalizing it's adressability is highly disingenuous. Like disease, it is preventable, and therefore should be on general principle.

What's really amusing is that in attempting to "address terrorism", we've made it worse. http://rt.com/news/206475-terrorism-inc ... rt-deaths/

The cure is worse than the disease.

Russia times? ...

[Sahrani South]

http://nypost.com/2015/01/30/nypd-to-launch-a-beefed-up-counterterrorism-squad/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/nyreg ... tions.html

tl;dr:
The NYPD is forming a 'Strategic Response Group,' equipped with 'heavy body armor' and 'machine guns' to deal with terrorists and protestors.


This is "machine guns" in the words of the police commissioner, not journalists, mind. Still, that can presumably mean anything from an SMG to a vehicle mounted 50 caliber machine gun. However, more disturbing than the simple existence of the unit (which is pretty goddamn disturbing,) is the fact that protesters are now apparently in the same category as terrorists, and that it is apparently official NYPD policy to employ machine gun armed paramilitary units against them.

Excellent...hope this will bring an end to the openly shown disrespect many certain groups have against the police. Lefties cry because apparently they like crime and want a weak police. A strong country needs a strong law enforcement - the more the better!

[Tyrinth]

The Police spokesman used the word, not the media.

He's either a idiot or what the fuck is wrong with them

I support the police but I don't think they need a real machine gun, maybe assault rifles but defiantly not machine guns.

He might have been using the ATF definition.

[The Emerald Dawn]

He's either a idiot or what the fuck is wrong with them

I support the police but I don't think they need a real machine gun, maybe assault rifles but defiantly not machine guns.

He might have been using the ATF definition.

He *should* have been using the proper nomenclature for the ordnance.

[Infected Mushroom]

No it doesn't, that's insane.

And people expect something different from a Martin fanboy's take on criminal justice?

Justice is based on balance.

And when a wrong has been done, the wrong-doer must face Justice.

[The 502nd SS]

He's either a idiot or what the fuck is wrong with them

I support the police but I don't think they need a real machine gun, maybe assault rifles but defiantly not machine guns.

He might have been using the ATF definition.

so that means they could be getting MP5s or M2 Brownings

[The Emerald Dawn]

And people expect something different from a Martin fanboy's take on criminal justice?

Justice is based on balance.

And when a wrong has been done, the wrong-doer must face Justice.

[Tyrinth]

He might have been using the ATF definition.

so that means they could be getting MP5s or M2 Brownings

Basically. That's the issue here. Submachine guns are perfectly acceptable for a well-trained special response unit. But if they just want to play soldier and end up getting something not well-suited to their supposed purpose, then they're going to cause issues in multiple ways. It's difficult to guess at exactly what equipment he meant.

[Vaaxin]

Let's see... "one of the longest and bloodiest events in American police history". Because, clearly, police must be able to deal with singular, historical events using equipment they have lying around. Might as well give 'em MANPADS so they can prevent another attack like 9/11. /nods.

But what we see in practice is that when we let cops play soldier, they misuse their weapons, using overkill against innocent citizens.

Police do go up against armed individuals, and sometimes they have to go up against armed individuals under adverse circumstances. Giving the good equipment (which really is all rifles and body armor is) dramatically increases the effectiveness of the police in those situations. I'm not suggesting manpads or explosives, and as far as I can tell neither is the NYPD.

You just pointed out we can't judge things based off of a single instance, so please provide proof that police SWAT teams regularly misuse their equipment. Not to mention that training had little to do with the flashbang landing in the crib.

When you don't capitalize it, it sounds like you're talking about male maxi pads, which I find amusing.
...I'm sorry, I'll go now.

[Cetacea]

so these terrorist protestors in NYC now constitute a heavy armoured offence planning to invade the city rather than small rapid sabotage cells? How is the NYC heavy response unit suppose to deal with terrorism when normal swat cant

[The Emerald Dawn]

Police do go up against armed individuals, and sometimes they have to go up against armed individuals under adverse circumstances. Giving the good equipment (which really is all rifles and body armor is) dramatically increases the effectiveness of the police in those situations. I'm not suggesting manpads or explosives, and as far as I can tell neither is the NYPD.

You just pointed out we can't judge things based off of a single instance, so please provide proof that police SWAT teams regularly misuse their equipment. Not to mention that training had little to do with the flashbang landing in the crib.

When you don't capitalize it, it sounds like you're talking about male maxi pads, which I find amusing.
...I'm sorry, I'll go now.

There's a reason they have wings, you know.

Aerodynamics.

[Autonomous Titoists]

so these terrorist protestors in NYC now constitute a heavy armoured offence planning to invade the city rather than small rapid sabotage cells? How is the NYC heavy response unit suppose to deal with terrorism when normal swat cant

Well depending who your asking mounted machine guns on police vehicles.

[The Emerald Dawn]

so these terrorist protestors in NYC now constitute a heavy armoured offence planning to invade the city rather than small rapid sabotage cells? How is the NYC heavy response unit suppose to deal with terrorism when normal swat cant

Well depending who your asking mounted machine guns on police vehicles.

Watching your average police cruiser tip over because of the added weight on top almost makes it worth doing.