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Abortion: human right?

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Is abortion a right?

abortion is not a right any time.
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in case of rape and/or if the woman's life is threatened.
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yes, up until a certain point in the fetus's development.
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yes, any time while the fetus is still in her body.
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I don't care, leave me alone. lol
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Postby District XIV » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:18 pm

Othelos wrote:
Kargintina wrote:I only support abortion if the women was raped or if the pregnanacy is life threatening.

So you don't support the right to bodily sovereignty?

Probably not >_>

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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:15 pm

Condunum wrote:
Othelos wrote:I agree.

Ideally the prenatal decisions go entirely to the mother, (it would be her choice to consider her partner's opinion,) and postnatal decisions would be shared between parents.

Assuming both parents are custodial... If not, then the custodial parent should be free to make the decisions on their own.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:20 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Condunum wrote:Ideally the prenatal decisions go entirely to the mother, (it would be her choice to consider her partner's opinion,) and postnatal decisions would be shared between parents.

Assuming both parents are custodial... If not, then the custodial parent should be free to make the decisions on their own.

Yeah, that's more accurate to what I was getting at.
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Postby PC World News » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:18 am

For those of you who disagree with abortion, watch these videos in order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEgCDETAIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53tzMV9OmvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skHApmfOjAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbm2JfYTRSU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozp0Tvyuyo

Din't expect that, did you? Next time before some of you start running your mouth about abortion, how about looking at what is transpiring in the world around you.

Thank you.

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Postby Lalaki » Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:20 am

Lalaki wrote:I wish more conservatives would focus on funding adoption clinics and giving public aid to poor mothers. Combined with adequate sexual education, this would reduce the rate of abortions.

I am opposed to abortion, but I would not make it illegal and take away a woman's bodily sovereignty. I am instead for teaching safety and giving more ways around abortion.


I'm going to bring this up again for debate on my position.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:22 am

Lalaki wrote:
Lalaki wrote:I wish more conservatives would focus on funding adoption clinics and giving public aid to poor mothers. Combined with adequate sexual education, this would reduce the rate of abortions.

I am opposed to abortion, but I would not make it illegal and take away a woman's bodily sovereignty. I am instead for teaching safety and giving more ways around abortion.


I'm going to bring this up again for debate on my position.

we never separate personal feelings from political positions on these threads.

so I think its a good thing that you did. most people don't like abortion. they don't think they would ever choose it for themselves or advise a loved one to have an abortion. but that doesn't mean they want it to be illegal (usually within certain fairly reasonable restrictions).

its hard to judge whether or not one of our posters, like Kargintina above, means that they have certain personal standards that they think should be general guidelines for their lives or that they want to make it abortion utterly unavailable except when it meets their personal standards.

personally I don't care what people think about abortion as a theoretical procedure. all I care about is whether or not they want to make abortion unavailable to women who want/need one.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:58 am

Lalaki wrote:
Lalaki wrote:I wish more conservatives would focus on funding adoption clinics and giving public aid to poor mothers. Combined with adequate sexual education, this would reduce the rate of abortions.

I am opposed to abortion, but I would not make it illegal and take away a woman's bodily sovereignty. I am instead for teaching safety and giving more ways around abortion.


I'm going to bring this up again for debate on my position.

A lot of pro-choice people share your view.
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:05 am

I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:07 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason

So you hate people that don't actually exist?
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:12 am

Dyakovo wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason

So you hate people that don't actually exist?

It escapes you that I don't desire to speak with you.

Anyway, http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
I have my own views on frivolous, as in a rich woman aborting her baby, when it's very possible to raise it, or give it up.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:13 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason

you think that abortion is such great fun that women get pregnant so they can have one?
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:15 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So you hate people that don't actually exist?

It escapes you that I don't desire to speak with you.

Anyway, http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
I have my own views on frivolous, as in a rich woman aborting her baby, when it's very possible to raise it, or give it up.

what there supports your views?
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:16 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:It escapes you that I don't desire to speak with you.

Anyway, http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
I have my own views on frivolous, as in a rich woman aborting her baby, when it's very possible to raise it, or give it up.

what there supports your views?

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:17 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:what there supports your views?

Page 4

I have to guess what on page 4 is important to you?
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:19 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:Page 4

I have to guess what on page 4 is important to you?

Read from Changes of reason
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Postby Galloism » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:19 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason

you think that abortion is such great fun that women get pregnant so they can have one?

Crafty women.

Next they'll buy expensive paintings so they can burn them.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:21 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:I have to guess what on page 4 is important to you?

Read from Changes of reason

what in "changes of reason" discusses rich women getting abortions?

is it impossible for you to make your own point and use a freaking quote from this 110 page pdf to support it?
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Postby Memell » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:22 am

Let abortion run free in all the Middle East, Africa and Asia, so they can stop reproducing like rabbits.
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:50 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:So you hate people that don't actually exist?

It escapes you that I don't desire to speak with you.

No, I just don't care what you want.
Anyway, http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
I have my own views on frivolous, as in a rich woman aborting her baby, when it's very possible to raise it, or give it up.

Having money =/= wanting to be pregnant
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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:50 am

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason

that's stupid. I doubt that happens often, if at all.

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:51 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:Read from Changes of reason

what in "changes of reason" discusses rich women getting abortions?

is it impossible for you to make your own point and use a freaking quote from this 110 page pdf to support it?

Apparently.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:43 am

Memell wrote:Let abortion run free in all the Middle East, Africa and Asia, so they can stop reproducing like rabbits.

It would probably be better if contraception was widely available, and people there had sex education.

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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:45 pm

Ok so I have posted here below. I have a scenario for you. My friend and his mother live in the US and his father lives in Spain. His father does not have to pay child support. The reason is his father did not want the kid, and his mother wanted it so he left and continued his job in Spain. How do you feel about this?

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:46 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I believe it should be allowed for when the mother is in danger, the child is defective, or the mother cannot raise the child

however, i hate the bitches who have kids just to abort them, only for that reason

Why would someone get pregnant just to have an abortion? Abortion isn't Whack-a-Mole.
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:56 pm

Memell wrote:Let abortion run free in all the Middle East, Africa and Asia, so they can stop reproducing like rabbits.

Though some Asian countries need to reproduce more.

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