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Jaslandia wrote:

Laerod wrote:That's the joke =I

Also you're wrong. The Air Nomads have Jinora and Bumju while the Water Tribes have portals. =P

Portals? Like these?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1i4f ... r1_500.gif

Reploid Productions wrote:

Jaslandia wrote:Portals? Like these?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1i4f ... r1_500.gif

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue? :P

Laerod wrote:

Reploid Productions wrote:Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

Next you'll tell me J.K. Simmons voices a major character in part 2 of the franchise.

Reploid Productions wrote:

Jaslandia wrote:Portals? Like these?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1i4f ... r1_500.gif

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

Blasveck wrote:

Reploid Productions wrote:Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

GLaDOS confirmed as Lok character.

Reploid Productions wrote:

Blasveck wrote:GLaDOS confirmed as Lok character.

Well, Vaatu is pretty damn sadistic. GLaDOS x Vaatu OTP?

Ameriganastan wrote:

Reploid Productions wrote:Well, Vaatu is pretty damn sadistic. GLaDOS x Vaatu OTP?

GLaDOS should only be shipped with an equally insane AI. Like SHODAN.

Reploid Productions wrote:

Ameriganastan wrote:GLaDOS should only be shipped with an equally insane AI. Like SHODAN.

You know it exists somewhere. Complete with porn.

Canton Empire wrote:Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.
Why?:
first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

Canton Empire wrote:Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.

Why?:

first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

Laerod wrote:The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

Reploid Productions wrote:I was wondering when she's draw this! :rofl:

Laerod wrote:

Reploid Productions wrote:I was wondering when she's draw this!

Oh, Varrick.

Laerod wrote:

Canton Empire wrote:Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.

Yes it was.

Why?:

Because it comes out of nowhere (as in it imparts a previously unmentioned skill) and resolves a conflict otherwise seen as impossible to resolve.

first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

Canton Empire wrote:Well, even if it wasnt Wan who sent the message, some energybending avatar did, a knew about the lion turtle. The Avatar Spirt responds to great stress, emotional duress, and mortak peril. We can assume that Aang was feeling extreamly stressful, right? I mean, the thought of having to kill someone is hard. Therefore, the Avatar Spirt kicked in and one of the Energybending Avatars told him to find the lion turtle, and so he learned energybending. So, not DEM. You must assume that:
1: the avatars are helping him
2: the lion turtle is helping him

Laerod wrote:

Canton Empire wrote:Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.

Yes it was.

Laerod wrote:

Why?:

Because it comes out of nowhere (as in it imparts a previously unmentioned skill) and resolves a conflict otherwise seen as impossible to resolve.

Laerod wrote:

first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

Laerod wrote:

Canton Empire wrote:Well, even if it wasnt Wan who sent the message, some energybending avatar did, a knew about the lion turtle. The Avatar Spirt responds to great stress, emotional duress, and mortak peril. We can assume that Aang was feeling extreamly stressful, right? I mean, the thought of having to kill someone is hard. Therefore, the Avatar Spirt kicked in and one of the Energybending Avatars told him to find the lion turtle, and so he learned energybending. So, not DEM. You must assume that:
1: the avatars are helping him
2: the lion turtle is helping him

Nonsense. Every avatar he contacts urges him to kill Ozai; they have no solutions to offer him. It's heavily implied (with Wan's story in mind) that Aang is the very first energybender, so none of the other avatars would have any experience regarding energybending to begin with (Wan had to collect all forms of bending from turtles and passed those on. If a previous avatar had received energybending, there'd be no need for the lion turtle to grant it on again). Note that we have no idea that lion turtles can bestow powers or even that bending can be taken away at this point.

Aang develops (or remembers) a power we had no idea of knowing he had, which in turn was bestowed upon him by an outside source, to solve a problem that seemed insurmountable. It's a deus ex machina, almost literally given the lion turtle's intervention. It's not a badly executed one and Wan's story properly explores the lore regarding lion turtles, but that doesn't change what it is.

Shemiki wrote:<snip>

Laerod wrote:

Shemiki wrote:<snip>

None of this addresses my arguments that it's a DEM. To put it in simple terms, you're equating "Why did Aang do that?" with "How did Aang do that?" despite them being two distinct things.

Shemiki wrote:

Laerod wrote:None of this addresses my arguments that it's a DEM. To put it in simple terms, you're equating "Why did Aang do that?" with "How did Aang do that?" despite them being two distinct things.

I think you failed to read the whole thing, particularly my last paragraph. The concept of magical creatures has been foreshadowed and established throughout the series, and as such the lion turtle is not contrived or unexpected.