The Last Airbender/Legend of Korra Thread

[Reploid Productions]

That's the joke =I

Also you're wrong. The Air Nomads have Jinora and Bumju while the Water Tribes have portals. =P

Portals? Like these?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1i4f ... r1_500.gif

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

[Laerod]

Portals? Like these?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1i4f ... r1_500.gif

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue? :P

Next you'll tell me J.K. Simmons voices a major character in part 2 of the franchise.

[Jaslandia]

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

Next you'll tell me J.K. Simmons voices a major character in part 2 of the franchise.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnEbvTqouME

[Timurid Empire]

This show has indeed gotten progressively better. And the ending of this season, just wow. I'm amazed how some things can just stab me in the heart.

[Blasveck]

Portals? Like these?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1i4f ... r1_500.gif

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

GLaDOS confirmed as Lok character.

[Reploid Productions]

Coincidentally... aren't the ones in the show orange and blue?

GLaDOS confirmed as Lok character.

Well, Vaatu is pretty damn sadistic. GLaDOS x Vaatu OTP?

[Ameriganastan]

GLaDOS confirmed as Lok character.

Well, Vaatu is pretty damn sadistic. GLaDOS x Vaatu OTP?

GLaDOS should only be shipped with an equally insane AI. Like SHODAN.

[Reploid Productions]

Well, Vaatu is pretty damn sadistic. GLaDOS x Vaatu OTP?

GLaDOS should only be shipped with an equally insane AI. Like SHODAN.

You know it exists somewhere. Complete with porn.

[United States of Natan]

GLaDOS should only be shipped with an equally insane AI. Like SHODAN.

You know it exists somewhere. Complete with porn.

ah, yes, the rules of the internet.

[Canton Empire]

Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.
Why?:
first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

[United States of Natan]

Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.
Why?:
first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

actually, your argument that Avatar Wan sent Aang a subconscious message about the energybending turtle makes sense, now that I think about it.

[Reploid Productions]

I was wondering when she's draw this!

[Laerod]

Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.

Yes it was.

Why?:

Because it comes out of nowhere (as in it imparts a previously unmentioned skill) and resolves a conflict otherwise seen as impossible to resolve.

first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

[Reploid Productions]

The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

It does make for some nice fridge brilliance in hindsight though. But yeah, in ATLA the foreshadowing about the lionturtle was extremely subtle and didn't really hint successfully at their eventual plot-relevence.

[Laerod]

I was wondering when she's draw this! :rofl:

Oh, Varrick.

[Reploid Productions]

I was wondering when she's draw this!

Oh, Varrick.

SHOTS FIRED in the direction of mediocre Twilight fanfic 50 Shades! XD

[Mushet]

Man my flash is having problems, when I try watching something it says I have no flash, when I try to download flash it tells me I already have it, and my firefox browser hasn't been able to watch anything since I tried updating flash and then tried to uninstall it, that's how the whole thing started, and then IE can watch youtube but every way I've tried to watch the LoK finale hasn't bee working for days such a pain in the ass

[United States of Natan]

Check out this one I found online: http://booter-freak.deviantart.com/art/ ... -107815449

[Canton Empire]

Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.

Yes it was.

Why?:

Because it comes out of nowhere (as in it imparts a previously unmentioned skill) and resolves a conflict otherwise seen as impossible to resolve.

first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

Well, even if it wasnt Wan who sent the message, some energybending avatar did, a knew about the lion turtle. The Avatar Spirt responds to great stress, emotional duress, and mortak peril. We can assume that Aang was feeling extreamly stressful, right? I mean, the thought of having to kill someone is hard. Therefore, the Avatar Spirt kicked in and one of the Energybending Avatars told him to find the lion turtle, and so he learned energybending. So, not DEM. You must assume that:
1: the avatars are helping him
2: the lion turtle is helping him

[Destiny Island]

So, when's season 4 coming out? Also, Damn, this show got really mature really fast.

[Laerod]

Well, even if it wasnt Wan who sent the message, some energybending avatar did, a knew about the lion turtle. The Avatar Spirt responds to great stress, emotional duress, and mortak peril. We can assume that Aang was feeling extreamly stressful, right? I mean, the thought of having to kill someone is hard. Therefore, the Avatar Spirt kicked in and one of the Energybending Avatars told him to find the lion turtle, and so he learned energybending. So, not DEM. You must assume that:
1: the avatars are helping him
2: the lion turtle is helping him

Nonsense. Every avatar he contacts urges him to kill Ozai; they have no solutions to offer him. It's heavily implied (with Wan's story in mind) that Aang is the very first energybender, so none of the other avatars would have any experience regarding energybending to begin with (Wan had to collect all forms of bending from turtles and passed those on. If a previous avatar had received energybending, there'd be no need for the lion turtle to grant it on again). Note that we have no idea that lion turtles can bestow powers or even that bending can be taken away at this point.

Aang develops (or remembers) a power we had no idea of knowing he had, which in turn was bestowed upon him by an outside source, to solve a problem that seemed insurmountable. It's a deus ex machina, almost literally given the lion turtle's intervention. It's not a badly executed one and Wan's story properly explores the lore regarding lion turtles, but that doesn't change what it is.

[Shemiki]

Aangs energybending feat wasnt Deux Ex Machinca.

Yes it was.

No it wasn't.

Why?:

Because it comes out of nowhere (as in it imparts a previously unmentioned skill) and resolves a conflict otherwise seen as impossible to resolve.

Actually, no. The theme of shaping one's own destiny and doing what one thinks is right even if all the odds are against him had been a theme of the series since 114.

first I must explain terminolgy.

Kyoshi Effect: when a previous avatar speaks through you or preformes an action through you. Obviously I got this from "Avatar Day" when Kyoshi speaks through aang to confess.

Assuming the Kyoshi Effect has three levels:

Level one: subconcious messages: Sozin's Comet Part One: The Pheniox King(I'm getting there)
Level Two: Speaking through the Avatar: Avatar Day.
Level Three: Transforming in to a diffrent avatar to preform an action: The Solctice Part Two: Avatar Roku.

After watching the battle between Korra and Vaatu, we can assume that Avatar Wan knew that there was one last lion turtle, the Energybender. Using the Level One Kyoshi Effect, Wan was able to send Aang a subconcious note on how to find the one thing that could anwser his problems.

Also Sozins Comet Part Two: The Old Masters since the Lion turtles held the bending abilities, they were the masters, right? But you can interpret that as the Order of the White Loutus, or the former avatars(including Wan).

The problem with your explanation is that deus ex machina is an observation of the storytelling, not a mere plot element. You can't retcon it. Wan being able to send subconscious messages is utterly irrelevant because as far as storytelling and the audience are concerned, Wan does not exist until Legend of Korra Book 2.

Except it wasn't a DEM in the first place.

Well, even if it wasnt Wan who sent the message, some energybending avatar did, a knew about the lion turtle. The Avatar Spirt responds to great stress, emotional duress, and mortak peril. We can assume that Aang was feeling extreamly stressful, right? I mean, the thought of having to kill someone is hard. Therefore, the Avatar Spirt kicked in and one of the Energybending Avatars told him to find the lion turtle, and so he learned energybending. So, not DEM. You must assume that:
1: the avatars are helping him
2: the lion turtle is helping him

Nonsense. Every avatar he contacts urges him to kill Ozai; they have no solutions to offer him. It's heavily implied (with Wan's story in mind) that Aang is the very first energybender, so none of the other avatars would have any experience regarding energybending to begin with (Wan had to collect all forms of bending from turtles and passed those on. If a previous avatar had received energybending, there'd be no need for the lion turtle to grant it on again). Note that we have no idea that lion turtles can bestow powers or even that bending can be taken away at this point.

Aang develops (or remembers) a power we had no idea of knowing he had, which in turn was bestowed upon him by an outside source, to solve a problem that seemed insurmountable. It's a deus ex machina, almost literally given the lion turtle's intervention. It's not a badly executed one and Wan's story properly explores the lore regarding lion turtles, but that doesn't change what it is.

That's the entire point of the finale. All of the past avatars were urging him to kill Ozai, but he knew it was wrong and he took control of his own destiny. Theme of the entire show right there. Now granted, the lion turtle was hinted at a little more subtly than it could have been, but that doesn't change the fact that the theme still fits and it was in no way contrived or unexpected.

[Laerod]

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None of this addresses my arguments that it's a DEM. To put it in simple terms, you're equating "Why did Aang do that?" with "How did Aang do that?" despite them being two distinct things.

[Shemiki]

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None of this addresses my arguments that it's a DEM. To put it in simple terms, you're equating "Why did Aang do that?" with "How did Aang do that?" despite them being two distinct things.

I think you failed to read the whole thing, particularly my last paragraph. The concept of magical creatures has been foreshadowed and established throughout the series, and as such the lion turtle is not contrived or unexpected.

[Charellia]

None of this addresses my arguments that it's a DEM. To put it in simple terms, you're equating "Why did Aang do that?" with "How did Aang do that?" despite them being two distinct things.

I think you failed to read the whole thing, particularly my last paragraph. The concept of magical creatures has been foreshadowed and established throughout the series, and as such the lion turtle is not contrived or unexpected.

It is not, but its abilities are.