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Postby Brytene » Wed May 04, 2016 2:28 am

Hello mods

I woke up to find out that another bout of drama had occurred on the Atlas RMB last night as I slumbered. The cause? This RMB post, containing mention of 'Adolf Kitler' and a 'Feline Reich'.

Longtime user Zerinfriom was banned for that post, though it was not made immediately clear why to anyone and the post itself was not suppressed. What is odd is that this comes only days after I received this message from an unnamed mod, after asking what it was about one of MY posts that was 'obscene':

NationStates Moderators wrote:Seriously, you think national socialism is obscene, or that we think it?'

No.


Not only is this a fairly unwarranted bit of snark in response to a simple request for information (which I was forced to make since the original Mod message did not make clear which post was being discussed, the post had been deleted, and I cannot remember every post I make on every internet forum), but it makes it fairly clear that when I joked about a Fourth German Reich (though I was talking about historic German expansionism, not Hitler), the mods did not find offense in any National Socialist implications. Yet several days later, Zerinfriom makes a joke about Nazis and his nation is wiped out.

Which leads us to my next point. In the same message mentioned above, I was told the following:

NationStates Moderators wrote:You and your regionmates seem to think that the rules don't apply to Atlas and its rmb.


This would seem to explain the attitude certain of the mod staff have towards our region. Requests and messages to the mod team from Atlas region members are often treated with instant derision and attitude, regardless of how polite or reasonable the message was. Users are targeted for seemingly arbitrary 'offenses' one day that were not a problem a week ago. This issue is exacerbated by the fact that we are rarely told what the offense in question was.

I recently sent a message asking for a repeal of my one-week RMB ban, on the grounds that the phrase I was banned for meant 'hold onto your butts', not some kind of 'obscene' sexual threat, and that the ruling was in effect the same as deciding that a phrase like 'oh man, you're screwed' would also be "obscene". In that message, I also stressed to the moderation team that, due to the continued efforts of successive regional council members, words such as 'rape, or ghey, or fgt,' (all of which the anonymous moderator complained about in their most recent message to me) have all dropped to a 0% incidence rate on the Atlas RMB over the last six months or so. I also stressed that, contrary to the seemingly entrenched moderation belief that Atlas is some kind of hive of scum and villainy, we are actually not trying to be 'problematic'. I received no reply.

TL;DR - it's hard to cooperate when elements of the moderation team display overt hostility, issue conflicting and contradictory rulings and warnings, refuse to communicate properly or even tell us what the offenses they've found are, and then ignore any messages or attempts to open dialogues. I'm not some conspiracy theorist who thinks someone is looking to win the MODlympics or whatever, but it does feel like certain mods are on the warpath against Atlas. Please can we talk about this, and can we get answers to messages that went unanswered?
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed May 04, 2016 2:45 am

Brytene wrote:Longtime user Zerinfriom was banned for that post

I've just checked - no they weren't. The nation was deleted for a different post, which was a continuation of their pattern of obscene RMB posts.

As for your GHR, it hasn't been addressed yet. On occasion, it can take a few days for a GHR to be addressed. EDIT: I've just addressed it, and sent:
Appeal denied. There is a significant difference between "hold onto your butts" and "Brace ur anis bbes", which is what you said. The former is acceptable in most contexts. The latter is obscene, and never acceptable.
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Postby Brytene » Wed May 04, 2016 2:58 am

Sedgistan wrote:I've just checked - no they weren't. The nation was deleted for a different post, which was a continuation of their pattern of obscene RMB posts.

Ah! See this is what I'm talking about. Certain mods act without explaining their rulings, without giving context or without even telling us what the post in question was. A long-time member of our community was DEAT'd or DOS'd by an unnamed moderator and not one of us was told why or what for. I've talked to the user in question, and even they are unclear on why they were punished.

Sedgistan wrote:As for your GHR, it hasn't been addressed yet. On occasion, it can take a few days for a GHR to be addressed.

I'm going to guess that it was you who just addressed it, from this conversation and the far more professional and clear tone. I still don't agree, but that's just my opinion, not an intent to disobey further.

We as a region would very much appreciate it if all moderator interactions were like this one that you and I are having right here. I get that moderators are unpaid and it's a thankless job; I did it myself for the Facebook Nations community, although that was probably a little less hectic since every player's real name was displayed by their nation. That doesn't mean that moderators hitting the auto-snark button, especially instead of telling us what the problem is, is going to help either side in any way. Atlas is not filled with players attempting to break the rules as a wind-up or acting out some teenage tantrum - half the time players are warned for posts they don't even remember making, and obviously didn't consider a problem. I wouldn't've posted 'brace ur anis' if I'd known you would read it the way you did. As I mentioned, we do want to abide by the ToS, even if some of the moderation team seem convinced we are 4chan incarnate. We have eliminated plenty of the "problem" words from the RMB, through a mixture of reason and wrath deployed against our own members.

We're not setting out to be dicks. I hope that the moderation team can get past this "you and your regionmates" attitude and start dealing with us like they'd deal with any other region, and like you're doing so now - openly, clearly, and calmly.

EDIT - Just saw your edit =P
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed May 04, 2016 3:49 am

It may be more helpful if somebody in moderation would run a nice long list of what bits of huecode are illegal, considering that I have absolutely no idea how 'brace ur anis' could be classed as obscene (I don't have a part of my body called an ani, and I suspect neither do you).
I think we would be more likely to ask for clarification before posting something if we didn't get such turse responses that treat us like we're already rulebreakers as well. I understand that a general list might be impossible, however some general guidelines on where the line between normal rule enforcement and huecode rule enforcement changes would be extremely welcomed. However, when I asked for some guidelines, I was told to stop breaking the rules. Not 'Atlas members should stop breaking the rules,' 'You should stop breaking the rules.' Now, I know my moderation record is less-than-stellar (to put it mildly), but I think that part of the problem here is players being consistently treated like they're already rulebreakers simply because of the fact that their nation happens to reside in Atlas.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed May 04, 2016 4:03 am

I don't care about huecode. But misspelling anus as anis does not make it any less obscene (in the above example).

A list won't be forthcoming. Huecode is not like an official word list, so people could just find a new method to circumvent.

And whether I do or do not have a certain body part is something between me and the medical professionals that service me. Completely irrelevant to NS.
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed May 04, 2016 4:07 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:I don't care about huecode. But misspelling anus as anis does not make it any less obscene (in the above example).

A list won't be forthcoming. Huecode is not like an official word list, so people could just find a new method to circumvent.

And whether I do or do not have a certain body part is something between me and the medical professionals that service me. Completely irrelevant to NS.

What is obscene about the word 'Anus?' Is their some context here that I'm not aware of? Because saying 'arse,' surely would be worse, given that it is in fact a swear word and that anus is the medical name for the butt.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed May 04, 2016 4:11 am

See the reply to the GHR. That is the appeal.
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed May 04, 2016 4:14 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:See the reply to the GHR. That is the appeal.

Im just wondering why it's obscene though, since I can't see the logic behind it.
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Postby Common Territories » Wed May 04, 2016 4:24 am

Coraspia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:See the reply to the GHR. That is the appeal.

Im just wondering why it's obscene though, since I can't see the logic behind it.


"I don't care about huecode. But misspelling anus as anis does not make it any less obscene (in the above example)."

Blaat didn't say the term Anis is obscene, he said the way it was used was obscene - I think you overlooked that first line, at least that's what I believe Blaat is trying to say. If saying anus, ass, or any other form of the phrase was banned I and a number of other people would have extensive warning records - I for one am confident I don't have such a record. The key point here is context - it's everything in this scenario. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize "Brace ur anis bbes" is translated as "Prepare your anus", which based on your community's history usually refers to anal rape.

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Postby CoraSpia » Wed May 04, 2016 4:30 am

Common Territories wrote:
Coraspia wrote:Im just wondering why it's obscene though, since I can't see the logic behind it.


"I don't care about huecode. But misspelling anus as anis does not make it any less obscene (in the above example)."

Blaat didn't say the term Anis is obscene, he said the way it was used was obscene - I think you overlooked that first line, at least that's what I believe Blaat is trying to say. If saying anus, ass, or any other form of the phrase was banned I and a number of other people would have extensive warning records - I for one am confident I don't have such a record. The key point here is context - it's everything in this scenario. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize "Brace ur anis bbes" is translated as "Prepare your anus", which based on your community's history usually refers to anal rape.

I find the last part of your statement extraordinarily defamatory, and uncalled for. To the best of my knowledge, no member of Atlas has ever called for the rape of another: if they did, they would soon cease to be a member of Atlas.

The phrase 'brace ur anis' is often stated in Atlas when emotions are heating over and their's about to be a really big argument: so in that context it does very much mean 'hold onto your butts.'
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Postby Brytene » Wed May 04, 2016 4:32 am

Common Territories wrote:which based on your community's history

Although you are an uninvolved non-moderator, this rather demonstrates the point I am actually trying to raise here (although I also question why you, a stranger who to my knowledge has never been in Atlas, believe yourself to be intimately familiar with our regional 'history' - do you read our RMB for leisure?)

It has gotten to the point where certain elements of the moderation team (and apparently now total strangers who have never even been to the region) are making judgements based on past history or mere hearsay, rather than the actual situation at hand.

'Hold onto your butts' has literally no POSSIBLE interpretation other than some kind of violence or sexual violence committed against the ass or anus, if you want to be literal about it too. But it isn't the actual phrase 'I am going to commit anal rape', no more than the phase 'brace ur anis' is. As you say, context is everything. What matters is whether you choose to take the actual context (that dinosaurs are about to break loose and that brytene is about to start a war of expansion) or the 'easy' context (Samuel Jackson is in a lot of Tarantino movies and so is probably talking about anal rape, Brytene is an Atlassian and so is probably talking about anal rape).

This is not about the individual incident. This is about what it represents as a whole - the fact that certain elements of the moderation team have decided we are a 'problem' region and have stopped handling us in the same way they would handle other regions.
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Postby Esternial » Wed May 04, 2016 5:05 am

Brytene wrote:This is not about the individual incident. This is about what it represents as a whole - the fact that certain elements of the moderation team have decided we are a 'problem' region and have stopped handling us in the same way they would handle other regions.

I'm not sure, but Moderation treats players that frequently break the rules the same way. If someone has a history of a certain offence, they generally tend to show less patience when the same happens again and start paying more attention to try and spot similar offences. Or that's how it tends to come across.

It's not illogical that they'd also apply the same approach to entire regions.

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Postby Common Territories » Wed May 04, 2016 5:05 am

Brytene wrote:
Common Territories wrote:which based on your community's history

Although you are an uninvolved non-moderator, this rather demonstrates the point I am actually trying to raise here (although I also question why you, a stranger who to my knowledge has never been in Atlas, believe yourself to be intimately familiar with our regional 'history' - do you read our RMB for leisure?)

It has gotten to the point where certain elements of the moderation team (and apparently now total strangers who have never even been to the region) are making judgements based on past history or mere hearsay, rather than the actual situation at hand.

'Hold onto your butts' has literally no POSSIBLE interpretation other than some kind of violence committed against the ass or anus, if you want to be literal about it too. But as you say, context is everything. What matters is whether you choose to take the actual context (that dinosaurs are about to break loose and that brytene is about to start a war of expansion) or the 'easy' context (Samuel Jackson is in a lot of Tarantino movies and so is probably talking about anal rape, Brytene is an Atlassian and so is probably talking about anal rape).

This is not about the individual incident. This is about what it represents as a whole - the fact that certain elements of the moderation team have decided we are a 'problem' region and have stopped handling us in the same way they would handle other regions.


If you wanted this thread for you, your region, and Mods then mark it as such - discussions are open to anyone while adding 'Mods Only' will close it off to the involved party and the Mod team.

I say history because I do know your region's history fairly well enough. I don't read your RMB anymore because I lack time and care less about it - too much is written for me to bother and I couldn't care less what your region likes to talk about anymore (not to mention I care less for your codes then Blaat or the Mod team). But at one point when your region spent countless times talking shit about myself and friends (don't say either of those two never happened because we both know it's true and there's clear evidence that proves it) I did make it habit to take a look and see what was specifically said - that's all im going to say on that; I'd say I've read more then enough posts since last summer to get a good understanding of the personalities of many people in Atlas and of the region as a whole. Granted I wont make a judgement of what Atlas is or isn't here (it's not my authority to and I wouldn't dare act like it here, im no Mod nor am I unbiased for the matter) - I'll let other onlookers like myself form their opinions. I for one have met quite a few of your regionmates, current and former, who were more then civil and friendly - on the other hand my own personal opinion on Atlas has been shaped by the vast majority of players who showed a different set of traits I wont go into detail about. But regardless I was mostly speaking on that particular case (the anus one) because it seems he overlooked Blaat's first line, that's all. I have no interest in debating if Moderation has a vendetta or not against Atlas nor do I seriously care either way. Making the point that I did however mite have been something I shouldn't have done and just left it for Blaat to respond to. And it's clear we disagree with the meaning behind the phrase, because I've seen that term used more for anal rape in your region then "hold onto your ass!" - but that's a context situation and I'll leave Blaat/the Mod team to speak about that since I've over stayed my welcome.

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Postby Brytene » Wed May 04, 2016 5:36 am

Esternial wrote:I'm not sure, but Moderation treats players that frequently break the rules the same way. If someone has a history of a certain offence, they generally tend to show less patience when the same happens again and start paying more attention to try and spot similar offences. Or that's how it tends to come across.

It's not illogical that they'd also apply the same approach to entire regions.

I can understand why, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it in the past too, but it's not exactly productive on either end. Looking for the negatives rather than the positives is always going to end up with a negative result. I find it a little disappointing that the mod who first replied to my GHR insisted that Atlas 'loves breaking rules' and that we still use words such as 'raep', 'ghey' and 'fgt' (specifically mentioned by anon mod) when in fact we do NOT. As a region have made a concerted effort to discourage and eliminate offensive behaviour and 'problematic' speech. Not only has this not been recognised, it has actively been ignored, and we are still being treated as though every single post on our RMB is filth and that we all love to 'break the rules', rather than what is actually happening - we are trying to cooperate. We cannot cooperate when we keep getting snark, unclear or vague messages, and unexplained punishments from certain members of the mod team, though not all.

Common Territories wrote:If you wanted this thread for you, your region, and Mods then mark it as such - discussions are open to anyone while adding 'Mods Only' will close it off to the involved party and the Mod team.

I never said you were not welcome to join the discussion

Common Territories wrote:I'll leave Blaat/the Mod team to speak about that since I've over stayed my welcome.

Thanks :)
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Postby Vedria » Wed May 04, 2016 5:42 am

Esternial wrote:
Brytene wrote:This is not about the individual incident. This is about what it represents as a whole - the fact that certain elements of the moderation team have decided we are a 'problem' region and have stopped handling us in the same way they would handle other regions.

I'm not sure, but Moderation treats players that frequently break the rules the same way. If someone has a history of a certain offence, they generally tend to show less patience when the same happens again and start paying more attention to try and spot similar offences. Or that's how it tends to come across.

It's not illogical that they'd also apply the same approach to entire regions.


Indeed, that is true, but it is worrying that they have overlooked the great strides our members have made in rectifying the error of our ways. We believe that since we have changed our attitude regarding our speech, it's only fair that the mod's attitude positively change as well. We just want fair treatment again after we have made a huge effort to once-more abide by the ToS.

Also, regarding the deletion of our comrade Zerinfriom, deleting someone out of the blue for mentioning Adolf Kitler is not right, in my humble opinion. A warning, or maybe an RMB ban would suffice, not a deat for a simple (albeit controversial, though we as a region are relatively thick-skinned) and totally harmless (unless, someone has filed a proper GHR regarding that specific post) joke.
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Postby Brytene » Wed May 04, 2016 5:44 am

Vedria wrote:Also, regarding the deletion of our comrade Zerinfriom, deleting someone out of the blue for mentioning Adolf Kitler is not right, in my humble opinion. A warning, or maybe an RMB ban would suffice, not a deat for a simple (albeit controversial, though we as a region are relatively thick-skinned) and totally harmless (unless, someone has filed a proper GHR regarding that specific post) joke.

Just a note, the mod team have confirmed that was not the reason Zeri was deleted, although Zeri himself says he has not yet been informed as to the specific post that caused his deletion.
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Postby Vedria » Wed May 04, 2016 5:49 am

Brytene wrote:
Vedria wrote:Also, regarding the deletion of our comrade Zerinfriom, deleting someone out of the blue for mentioning Adolf Kitler is not right, in my humble opinion. A warning, or maybe an RMB ban would suffice, not a deat for a simple (albeit controversial, though we as a region are relatively thick-skinned) and totally harmless (unless, someone has filed a proper GHR regarding that specific post) joke.

Just a note, the mod team have confirmed that was not the reason Zeri was deleted, although Zeri himself says he has not yet been informed as to the specific post that caused his deletion.


Oh, my. Will edit my post.

But, the fact that Zeri was not informed of the reason of his deletion is... worrying. It's practically equivalent to executing without knowing what your crime was.
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Postby Esternial » Wed May 04, 2016 5:34 pm

Brytene wrote:
Esternial wrote:I'm not sure, but Moderation treats players that frequently break the rules the same way. If someone has a history of a certain offence, they generally tend to show less patience when the same happens again and start paying more attention to try and spot similar offences. Or that's how it tends to come across.

It's not illogical that they'd also apply the same approach to entire regions.

I can understand why, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it in the past too, but it's not exactly productive on either end. Looking for the negatives rather than the positives is always going to end up with a negative result. I find it a little disappointing that the mod who first replied to my GHR insisted that Atlas 'loves breaking rules' and that we still use words such as 'raep', 'ghey' and 'fgt' (specifically mentioned by anon mod) when in fact we do NOT. As a region have made a concerted effort to discourage and eliminate offensive behaviour and 'problematic' speech. Not only has this not been recognised, it has actively been ignored, and we are still being treated as though every single post on our RMB is filth and that we all love to 'break the rules', rather than what is actually happening - we are trying to cooperate. We cannot cooperate when we keep getting snark, unclear or vague messages, and unexplained punishments from certain members of the mod team, though not all.

Looking for the negatives is kind of Moderation's job, but frankly I can't speak for them.

These days I doubt I can even properly interpret their actions any more.

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Postby Schwarden » Wed May 04, 2016 7:04 pm

Esternial wrote:-snipping so I don't fill the thread with walls of text-


I don't know, really. Mods are acting really paranoid about Atlas IMO. I got a 3 day ban from the RMB, and while I still have no idea which specific comment I made was inappropriate (And I don't care, I personally possibly deserve it I guess. Even when this is the first time I get shanked for gameplay-related stuff and a warning would have made me just 'cease ze memeing'. Not really going to ask for it to be reduced or anything because the moderation team can be rather stubborn sometimes :p and it's also not worth it IMO), my specific situation might not be THAT much of a problem on this.

But hell, I myself got shanked several times by the local moderation of the region for saying some words I myself apologized for saying (Such as one time I called myself a "fgt" and quickly proceeded to delete the post and apologize after realizing what I just said but the WAD was quicker than myself and automatically suppressed me and sent me a message telling me to knock it off). I can confirm Atlas IS trying to change its ways. I have seen a lot of huecode being suppressed lately, and while I may or may not have my opinion towards how offensive or "obscene" huecode can or can not be, the moderation team CANNOT really say the guys on the power seat aren't doing anything at all.

I'm not going to go too much in depth in this, seeing how I'm new to Atlas, but I have my experience from other regions under my wing and I have seen way worse shit being said all over the place in non-ironic ways (Unlike huecode, for example) with no one getting shanked for it and no member being offended at all. Hell, I myself did worse things that simple huecode when I was a newbie (Things I repent doing, like spamming with stupid crap and making awful jokes) and never got a single gameplay-related ban.

Sure, huecode can be obscene, but come on, it's just extremely badly written English. It even harder for me to understand when such simple things as the classic 'Peppr ur anis' are used and taken out of context just to make them sound insulting or related to anal rape in any way. No one wants to rape anyone, seriously, it basically means 'Get ready because shit's going down'. Schwarden out, I'm gonna be busy so I doubt I'll be capable of posting on this discussion.

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Postby Brytene » Thu May 05, 2016 9:16 am

I am disappointed to see that our concerns are being ignored by moderation staff, and that it seems punitive action has been taken rather than any kind of attempt to address us directly.

Now, three or four hours ago apparently, Greater Carloso has been RMB banned, with no indication of duration and no citation of the specific posts, simply for "spamming".

I've gone through Carl's messages for the last 48 hours, and not one of them was 'spam'. They all had actual content and most were direct responses to other Atlassian's messages or topics of conversation. As I understand it, spam is when a player spews out 'bump' or other meaningless/non-topical nonsense, often accompanied by double or triple-posting. Spam is not engaging in a conversation, no matter how quickly the conversation flows in comparison to other, slower regions. Unless the moderation team has now decided to punish people simply for being too active, then I cannot see why Carloso has been RMB banned.

It may be that there is some slew of actual spam messages I somehow missed, or that the moderators have decided to act upon some post Carl made more than 48 hours ago. Especially in the latter case, it would seem sensible to tell Carl which posts he was banned for, and to make clear the duration of his ban.

It seems to me though, and mind that this is obviously just opinion, that certain elements of the moderation team are now just looking for excuses to punish Atlas for daring to question recent events and for speaking 'out of turn', especially in light of the fact that our attempt to open a dialogue about this has been point-blank ignored.

Can someone please tell us or Carl precisely what posts Carloso has made that were considered 'spam' and can someone please tell us why this information was not simply provided by the moderator who originally made the decision

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Postby Brytene » Thu May 05, 2016 2:45 pm

UPDATE:

Carl received a response, but the mod in question refuses to specify which posts Carl has received this ban for.

Disgustingly amateur behaviour
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Postby Imperial Cyllea » Thu May 05, 2016 3:25 pm

I've received better service from underage mods on a minecraft server. Mediocre at best, completely unprofessional.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu May 05, 2016 3:52 pm

This is not a discussion, this is thinly veiled bad faith posting with a side of third party appeal about gameside matters which are to be handled via Getting Help in any event.

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