Salazarstan wrote:I propose an nationstates tribunal made up of players and one mod or admin, here the defended should at least see whats he/she is being accused of and his/her accuser should be brought forth based on the evidence we the people will decide if this individual is guilty of said crime before handing down whatever punishment that mod wants to give.
note the moderation can't extend the punishment if the offended that chose to stand trial at the tribunal if such acts are discovered a miss trial will be declared.
I want it to be know in nationstates history the mods and admin have all the power and we the userbase are granted little to no freedom except what we are allowed to have, at least this way we are given some power.
1: Your proposal isn't new and is the latest attempt at making NationStates a "democracy" using courts to decide punishments - though your attempt is far more sloppy and rides the "Lets rebel against the ebul Mod team!" momentum gaining heat once more because of this recent sexting sweep. That's all these threads are now these days - the "Lets try to usurp the Mods! YEA! OCCUPY NATIONSTATES!" bla bla bla. It's nothing new and I don't think it wont end here. There's always gonna be incidents like this.
2: NationStates isn't a democracy - it's not obligated to be one (or for that matter imitate any specific democracy here in Earth) nor should it. You need to understand democracy isn't this honorable moral thing you make it out to be on the internet, all it's going to do here is make the process longer, more bureaucratic, and chaotic. All this suggestion is is a blatant attempt to remove the need for the Mod team by making some court that will make judgements by majority vote or something. People these days are quick to forget the role of Moderation or what the Mod team has done for them and this site. If you don't like that this site is owned by someone who enforces their given rules using a Moderation Team, you're free to leave - it's poetic but you're free to leave if you don't like how things are done here, nothing forces you to be here on NS or to even interact with Moderation.
3: Reports are easy to see, rebuke, and appeal any punishment handed out. Your record is easily accessible by sending in a GHR asking for it - the Team will happily send you your record. There's almost nothing hidden here in terms of what Mods can do, what you're known to them as, or your record. I can't even count the amount of times a Mod has linked the rules to this site or the help page - they do it more then at least greetings every day.
4: Your suggestion eliminates the the position of having mods - that's your real intention here and those who continue to make this "court" argument. You're basically cutting them out of the equation because you're just one of many people now who think the Mods are evil corrupt people ruling this site just to fulfill their desire to abuse us players. Players shouldn't have the power to judge each other like it was a matter of raising your hand - people on here can be uneducated, ill informed, lack tools, and can generally by unworthy of making such decisions. This suggestion is just the latest attempt at some perfect jury trial that will never be - do you see how many reports are made daily!? There's no way you're going to handle reports as fast or as efficiently as done now if you have a court case system for every report. But lets remind the NS community that Moderation is here to serve you, they're unpaid volunteers who take shit probably daily (especially these days) when they show some basic humanity or they make some type of mistake - maybe they missworded something, maybe they got a ruling wrong, regardless of what they do critics are always waiting in the shadows to make a new argument like this that the Mod team is oppressive. This "Suggestion" has been made over and over again yet the answer you'll get will never change: it's going to be a big fat no. Quite frankly, I'd like to see your court rule a paid spammer needs to be shut down within seconds of their first post or that they can get reports on people's histories - even if we did give access to temporary juries the process would be bogged by slow action and laziness.
Quite frankly, im tired of this movement of targeting the Mod team. As someone who knows some of them on more personal levels, who was even warned by one such friend, I am thankful for their service. They're unpaid volunteers who keep this site running and clean - they are doing their jobs to the best of their abilities and I'd say they're keeping justice as high a standard as any real court would ever do. I would be a liar if I didn't have some concerns, but that's minuscule to what a potential user based court system would do. Such a system would absolutely destroy this site, and that's almost certain. I feel like im just venting after still seeing this argument for days now but I think it's something that needed to be said, though im sure im not the first to say it in this thread.