[Report] Trolling/Flamebait

[Arumdaum]

People in India have movies? When did they get electricty, I thought everybody lived in shitty mud huts and prayed to one of their million gods for less misery.

You learn something every day, I guess.

It's pretty obvious that he's just trying to get a reaction out of the OP, and that it isn't something he actually just learned. It's also pretty offensive toward our Indian players.

[Euroslavia]

People in India have movies? When did they get electricty, I thought everybody lived in shitty mud huts and prayed to one of their million gods for less misery.

You learn something every day, I guess.

It's pretty obvious that he's just trying to be a reaction out of the OP, and that it isn't something he actually just learned. It's also pretty offensive toward our Indian players.

You cut out the last part of the post, that indicates it was an attempt at humor. If you're going to report a post, I'd suggest that you not selectively remove certain portions of posts and simply quote the whole thing. It comes off as using moderators as weapons.

[Arumdaum]

It's pretty obvious that he's just trying to be a reaction out of the OP, and that it isn't something he actually just learned. It's also pretty offensive toward our Indian players.

You cut out the last part of the post, that indicates it was an attempt at humor. If you're going to report a post, I'd suggest that you not selectively remove certain portions of posts and simply quote the whole thing. It comes off as using moderators as weapons.

I cut out the last line as it wasn't relevant; he moved off into a new tangent and it was simply the line where he stated his opinion on whether India should ban Pakistani films.

Anywho, no. India shouldn't ban Pakistani films. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind and all that.

How does this make it seem like he's trying to attempt humor? Humor that India is a backwards shithole where "everyone lives in shitty mud huts" and prays "to one of their million gods for less misery"? Also, is trolling or flamebaiting not trolling or flamebaiting if the poster attempts humor?

[Euroslavia]

The last sentence clearly indicates that they knew India has access to movies. The Nuclear Fist does have a tendency to use humor in their posting style. I'll simply telegram them and ask for clarification in this thread, from them.

[Arumdaum]

The last sentence clearly indicates that they knew India has access to movies. The Nuclear Fist does have a tendency to use humor in their posting style. I'll simply telegram them and ask for clarification in this thread, from them.

That's what I'm trying to say.

He knows that India has a large movie industry, is relatively developed, and doesn't actually do that. He intentionally said those things to make it seem like people see India as a backwards hellhole and phrased it in a baity way to get people such as the OP angry.

Also, again, why is whether he was trying to attempt humor relevant? If someone tried to make a series of deeply racist jokes for humor, would nothing happen to them? I thought intent didn't really matter?

[Frisbeeteria]

I've made exactly the same satirical response in exactly the same way to Indian players who were talking about ignorant Southerners with their moonshine and inbreeding. Both parties, and presumably all readers, are aware enough of popular (and wrong) stereotypes to recognize satire when they see it.

[Naushantiya]

I've made exactly the same satirical response in exactly the same way to Indian players who were talking about ignorant Southerners with their moonshine and inbreeding. Both parties, and presumably all readers, are aware enough of popular (and wrong) stereotypes to recognize satire when they see it.

Stereotypes made by the West, If I go around calling Americans, a bunch of blood thirsty war mongers who only know war , or the British as vile imperialists. This is an example of moderators and the usual pro western bias

[Elesar]

I've made exactly the same satirical response in exactly the same way to Indian players who were talking about ignorant Southerners with their moonshine and inbreeding. Both parties, and presumably all readers, are aware enough of popular (and wrong) stereotypes to recognize satire when they see it.

Stereotypes made by the West, If I go around calling Americans, a bunch of blood thirsty war mongers who only know war , or the British as vile imperialists. This is an example of moderators and the usual pro western bias

Sorry to step in here, but it seems like with that post you're doing exactly that.

[Naushantiya]

Stereotypes made by the West, If I go around calling Americans, a bunch of blood thirsty war mongers who only know war , or the British as vile imperialists. This is an example of moderators and the usual pro western bias

Sorry to step in here, but it seems like with that post you're doing exactly that.

I am illustrating with a similar example

[Elesar]

Sorry to step in here, but it seems like with that post you're doing exactly that.

I am illustrating with a similar example

Except your example wasn't satire like the comment being discussed. Yours was a blatant insult.

[Naushantiya]

I am illustrating with a similar example

Except your example wasn't satire like the comment being discussed. Yours was a blatant insult.

Yes because calling Indians poor and primitive is satire but calling the western nations as warmongers is an insult

[Elesar]

Except your example wasn't satire like the comment being discussed. Yours was a blatant insult.

Yes because calling Indians poor and primitive is satire but calling the western nations as warmongers is an insult

Listen, the comment being discussed here was clearly satire. It was stated earlier in this thread that that had been made clear. You on the other hand are blatantly insulting the West using your own nationalist rhetoric, which isn't going to get you anywhere. If anything, it'll just make others think of you as you've just described; poor and primitive. Not the entire nation of India, mind you, but you in particular. You can have your own opinions on the West and Pakistan, but if they're clearly as inflammatory as they seem to be, then don't deliberately anger people by posting them. It'll just make you look poor mannered.

[Naushantiya]

Yes because calling Indians poor and primitive is satire but calling the western nations as warmongers is an insult

Listen, the comment being discussed here was clearly satire. It was stated earlier in this thread that that had been made clear. You on the other hand are blatantly insulting the West using your own nationalist rhetoric, which isn't going to get you anywhere. If anything, it'll just make others think of you as you've just described; poor and primitive. Not the entire nation of India, mind you, but you in particular. You can have your own opinions on the West and Pakistan, but if they're clearly as inflammatory as they seem to be, then don't deliberately anger people by posting them. It'll just make you look poor mannered.

Calling Indians xyz is satire because your racially charged colonial stereotypes allow you too but saying anything inflammatory against any western country is an inflammatory insult

[Elesar]

Listen, the comment being discussed here was clearly satire. It was stated earlier in this thread that that had been made clear. You on the other hand are blatantly insulting the West using your own nationalist rhetoric, which isn't going to get you anywhere. If anything, it'll just make others think of you as you've just described; poor and primitive. Not the entire nation of India, mind you, but you in particular. You can have your own opinions on the West and Pakistan, but if they're clearly as inflammatory as they seem to be, then don't deliberately anger people by posting them. It'll just make you look poor mannered.

Calling Indians xyz is satire because your racially charged colonial stereotypes allow you too but saying anything inflammatory against any western country is an inflammatory insult

My "racially charged colonial stereotypes?" Are your stereotypes of the West and Pakistan not the same thing, albeit without the "colonial" addition? I'm sorry that you feel that way, I really am, but it just makes you a hypocrite.

[Naushantiya]

Calling Indians xyz is satire because your racially charged colonial stereotypes allow you too but saying anything inflammatory against any western country is an inflammatory insult

My "racially charged colonial stereotypes?" Are your stereotypes of the West and Pakistan not the same thing, albeit without the "colonial" addition? I'm sorry that you feel that way, I really am, but it just makes you a hypocrite.

Why are your stereotypes allowed to be called satire, while my illustrations are an insult ?

Why can't I be not insulted by your satire ?

Why can't my illustrations of insult be termed as satire too ?

This just reeks of a pro west bias

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Found this for the start of Anti-British Threadjacking: viewtopic.php?p=24325752#p24325752

Were you nearly killed by Pakistan's film industry?

In Britain, I have been to Britain therefore I warn people about that country

And I warn people about irrational hatred of entire nations.

Well a small visit to Britain would make you hate Britain

ANYWAYS NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PAKISTANI WHO COME TO WORK IN INDIAN FILMS !!!

Well a small visit to Britain would make you hate Britain

ANYWAYS NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PAKISTANI WHO COME TO WORK IN INDIAN FILMS !!!

I have visited both India and Britain


And my comment also applies to an irrational hatred of Pakistan.

[Elesar]

My "racially charged colonial stereotypes?" Are your stereotypes of the West and Pakistan not the same thing, albeit without the "colonial" addition? I'm sorry that you feel that way, I really am, but it just makes you a hypocrite.

Why are your stereotypes allowed to be called satire, while my illustrations are an insult ?

Why can't I be not insulted by your satire ?

Why can't my illustrations of insult be termed as satire too ?

This just reeks of a pro west bias

And your posting clearly displays ultra-nationalist rhetoric. Of course you have the right to be insulted by our satire, but if you don't like it you can simply ignore it. And your illustrations are incorrect, by the way. I understand your anger towards the British, as they colonized your country, but that was many, many years ago. As far as I know, your countries are on good terms with each other nowadays.

[Naushantiya]

You mean these posts which preceed my posts but somehow my posts would be given harsher treatment because I don't agree with the official line of thought of this site, I know the ruling but still shame

Taking a break from bashing Britain?

Pakistan has always been a source of our everlasting miseries, it is the prime exporter of terrorism throughout the globe and supported movements Islamic separatists and even aided north korea in developing nuclear weapons. Pakistan has attacked India thrice and generally committed genocide towards Hindus and other communities, yet we allow people from these kind of countries inside our border and let them work in our film industry, while at the same time Pakistan has a ban on Indian films, I think it is high time that we ban any actor of Pakistani origin from working in an Indian film and expel all cricketers of Pakistan. These people ban our films and we give them so much leeway. If they ban our films than why should we let their actors work in our movies and work in their third class movie industry. They also eat up revenues from our films, I hate the idea of allowing somebody from Pakistan working in an Indian movie.

So NSG should India ban pakistani actors and films like they have banned our films ?

The same films where we employ their horrible actors

I thought Britain was the source of your everlasting misery.

What happened to your hatred of the UK? did the secret Illuminati police switch the UK and Pakistan while everyone was asleep?

Yes unfortunately this needs to fucking stop.

Perhaps you should turn your attention to that rather then shouting at the British and trying to ban Pakistani films...

[Elesar]

It would be great if we could get a mod in here

[The Nuclear Fist]

Yes, I'm well aware that India has a film industry and has electricity. I've seen Slumdog Millionaire.

I was attempting to demonstrate the ridiculous logical process Maniskorea was using to support banning Pakistani cinema was ignorant and bigoted via using the same logical train to mock his sacred cow (no pun intended).

To put it bluntly, I was using exaggerated bigotry to mock actual bigotry. I'm a little surprised you didn't catch that, considering not once has this account done or said anything to suggest honest bigotry and/or racism.

[Elesar]

Yes, I'm well aware that India has a film industry and has electricity. I've seen Slumdog Millionaire.

I was attempting to demonstrate the ridiculous logical process Maniskorea was using to support banning Pakistani cinema was ignorant and bigoted via using the same logical train to mock his sacred cow (no pun intended).

To put it bluntly, I was using exaggerated bigotry to mock actual bigotry. I'm a little surprised you didn't catch that, considering not once has this account done or said anything to suggest honest bigotry and/or racism.

This is what I was trying to tell Naushantiya. He doesn't seem to get it, and interprets it as Western hatred and bias towards India.

[Kaboomlandia]

I am not anti-Hindu/Indian. I am extremely proud of my country and I am very devout. You can accuse me of many things but never this.

I am anti-intolerance, anti-ignorance, anti-hatred, anti-racist and very much against people who make a mockery of our nation by being pro all those things.

I am anti-you. Those are the things you can accuse me of, understood?

It is a good thing that your devout but you have any idea of what pakistan does to us ?

Why do we even allow a single Pakistani inside our country ?

Seems like hate speech, same guy.

EDIT: And this:

I'm fully aware. So why should we punish the people for what the government does?

I am very strongly against the Pakistani government and feel Pakistan must be in check. But why punish the people? This is idiocy based in hatred.

Because it is these people who elect the government, it is these people who vote and support the pakistani government and it is these people who would form the pakistani army during a war. We don't need them in our country, they got their country their promised land out of what was anciently our land so they should now stay there, we have paid too grave a price for our association with pakistan

Naushantiya is now making several somewhat racist comments against Pakistani people.

[Katganistan]

Enough.

The comment was ruled satire by two mods. It remains satire.

This is a report thread, not a discussion thread.

Naushantiya, you were not asked to put your oar in, nor were you asked to once again go off on your anti-West rant. *** Warned for spamming moderation. ***
Elesar, it's a report, not a discussion thread. Therefore, for this post and others arguing with Nashantiya: *** warned for spamming moderation ***

I will rule on the posts reported on separately.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=24330623#p24330623