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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:53 pm

Do we need a threat just for gloating when others are banned? Anyways:

Busen wrote:This thread is so quiet whenever Lyt is banned.


I thought that gloating about the bans of others was not considered acceptable, so just leaving this one here.
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:15 pm

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Postby Busen » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:22 pm

I request for a second opinion.

This is not gloating and not my intention since I would use more effective words or some smilies. This was a remark with neutral conotations since Lyt was banned there was indeed rarelly posts on that thread, especially when I posted a day or two after Lyt got banned (just check the dates and time when I posted and when he got banned). There was also similar cases where people said the same for Camelza in the Falkand thread and about Manisdog when he stopped his anti-British derail in some topics.
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Postby Busen » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:27 pm

If my statements is gloating than certainly so is this post:
Lytenburgh wrote:
Luckily, on the second day of this patriotic fervor there was on 80 lvl pro-Russian troll, who, well, trolled entire estonian army - by waving Russian flag and singing Russian national anthem.


...where the poster is happy for the trolling of other people, effectivly making this post also trolling
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:36 pm

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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:31 am

Lytenburgh's full post is this:

Lytenburgh wrote:Recently Estonia had a military parade in mostly Russian city of Narva, fuetering US "friends" and their hardware. The message was something like "Estonia Stronk!" and looked like an attempted act to terrify the locals.

Luckily, on the second day of this patriotic fervor there was on 80 lvl pro-Russian troll, who, well, trolled entire estonian army - by waving Russian flag and singing Russian national anthem.


This is a specific reference to a recent news event in Estonia, not an individual on this site. Shofercia's report, in contrast, refers to gloating by a member of this forum regarding the recent banning of a member of this forum for actionable behaviour.


I'll consider the merit of your initial appeal for a warning for gloating entirely separately from the above point, but it doesn't help your case to subsequently attempt to bolster your appeal on spurious grounds unrelated to the original report and appeal.

Edit:
I've brought this topic up for an internal discussion.
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Postby Camelza » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:07 am

Busen wrote:I request for a second opinion.

This is not gloating and not my intention since I would use more effective words or some smilies. This was a remark with neutral conotations since Lyt was banned there was indeed rarelly posts on that thread, especially when I posted a day or two after Lyt got banned (just check the dates and time when I posted and when he got banned). There was also similar cases where people said the same for Camelza in the Falkand thread and about Manisdog when he stopped his anti-British derail in some topics.

I was never banned... Neither I had an unpopular opinion in the Falklands thread, pherhaps you're confusing me for Calimera.

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Postby Busen » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:03 am

Camelza wrote:
Busen wrote:I request for a second opinion.

This is not gloating and not my intention since I would use more effective words or some smilies. This was a remark with neutral conotations since Lyt was banned there was indeed rarelly posts on that thread, especially when I posted a day or two after Lyt got banned (just check the dates and time when I posted and when he got banned). There was also similar cases where people said the same for Camelza in the Falkand thread and about Manisdog when he stopped his anti-British derail in some topics.

I was never banned... Neither I had an unpopular opinion in the Falklands thread, pherhaps you're confusing me for Calimera.

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I know mods, not going to post anything else in here - just needed to clarify something, since my name was mentioned.

My apologies, you are right. I have confused you with Calimera II who is an Argentinian and who is passionate about the Falklands.

The Archregimancy wrote:
This is a specific reference to a recent news event in Estonia, not an individual on this site. Shofercia's report, in contrast, refers to gloating by a member of this forum regarding the recent banning of a member of this forum for actionable behaviour.


I'll consider the merit of your initial appeal for a warning for gloating entirely separately from the above point, but it doesn't help your case to subsequently attempt to bolster your appeal on spurious grounds unrelated to the original report and appeal.

Edit:
I've brought this topic up for an internal discussion.

Maybe I am wrong, but gloating can refer to anybody and anything. If Lyt is happy about the Russian provocation during the Estonian millitary parade and shows that it is not different if somebody would be happy about him being banned and showing thisv (which again I have not because I would use some effectiver words and even smilies; it was not my intention and would even deleted).
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:47 am

Busen wrote:Maybe I am wrong, but gloating can refer to anybody and anything. I


You are indeed wrong.

We judge things by context; and in this case the comparison between the two alleged behaviours is specious.

However, that said, I am rescinding your warning as I'm satisfied that despite the fact that you and Lytenburgh are hardly friends, the reported post was a simple observation rather than active gloating.

For the record, I am not warning Lytenburgh either as I don't consider his post to be actionable.


Camelza, no problem with your post - you were specifically cited in evidence, and it was useful to clarify that this was a case of mistaken identity.

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Postby Busen » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:09 am

The Archregimancy wrote:You are indeed wrong.

We judge things by context; and in this case the comparison between the two alleged behaviours is specious.

However, that said, I am rescinding your warning as I'm satisfied that despite the fact that you and Lytenburgh are hardly friends, the reported post was a simple observation rather than active gloating.

For the record, I am not warning Lytenburgh either as I don't consider his post to be actionable.

Thank you very much for the understanding and I will have on mind all what you said. Have a nice day.
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