by Consular » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:56 pm
by High Lord Seven Deaths » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:02 pm
by Frisbeeteria » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:22 pm
FAQ Etiquette wrote:Can I steal another player's nation?
No. This is fraudulent behavior and breaches the site's terms & conditions. The same applies to any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords.
FAQ Technical wrote:Someone has taken control of my nation!
It is against the rules to hijack someone else's nation, and if we see someone do it, we'll ban them. If we don't see it happen, though, and someone changes your password and e-mail address, I'm afraid you're on your own. As far as the game is concerned, your government has been overthrown in a coup.
by High Lord Seven Deaths » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:27 pm
by Emperor Septim » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:36 pm
Frisbeeteria wrote:Hi there. I'm Frisbeeteria, the Senior Game Moderator in question who handled this case. Like all moderator decisions, this one is open to appeal by the affected parties via the Getting Help system. Please note that we're not accepting third party appeals.
I'll note that we have apparently contradictory rules concerning this. The FAQ is, in my opinion, very clear about the penalties of nation theft. It's even listed twice.FAQ Etiquette wrote:Can I steal another player's nation?
No. This is fraudulent behavior and breaches the site's terms & conditions. The same applies to any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords.FAQ Technical wrote:Someone has taken control of my nation!
It is against the rules to hijack someone else's nation, and if we see someone do it, we'll ban them. If we don't see it happen, though, and someone changes your password and e-mail address, I'm afraid you're on your own. As far as the game is concerned, your government has been overthrown in a coup.
In this instance, we had a conflict between the rules that have been in place for over a decade, versus a pinned post that has been in place for a few months. Based on the Getting Help request received and the extraordinarily clear evidence trail, I went with the long-standing rule.
I recognize that this is likely to provoke controvery, and I'll lay out my train of evidence to the other mods and admins if an appeal is filed. We'll probably also want to revisit the pinned topic or the FAQ, depending on the outcome. I'm not going to venture any guesses at this time as to the outcome of such discussions.
In the meantime, I'll change this topic title to make it clear it's a discussion, and you folks can argue about it.
by Consular » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:40 pm
Can I steal another player's nation?
No. This is fraudulent behavior and breaches the site's terms & conditions. The same applies to any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords.
Someone has taken control of my nation!
It is against the rules to hijack someone else's nation, and if we see someone do it, we'll ban them. If we don't see it happen, though, and someone changes your password and e-mail address, I'm afraid you're on your own. As far as the game is concerned, your government has been overthrown in a coup.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:41 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Ikania » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:45 pm
by Consular » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:48 pm
Consular wrote:I also suspect if we look hard we'll find recent cases where this exact thing has happened, but the opposite moderation decision was reached.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:56 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by RiderSyl » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:07 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:14 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:16 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Consular » Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:27 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:16 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Rifty » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:24 am
by Bears Armed » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:00 am
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:54 am
by Nephmir » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:46 am
GP References
Military Gameplay
Login Script
Manual Recruitment
The 300 Endorsements of Nephmir
"100 by land, 100 by air, 100 by sea."
Mercenary of The Sable Order
Commander in Project Soul
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:48 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:In respect of this, we've tried to remain just as polite and cool-headed in our replies, instead of resorting to demands and anger like I feel some might be at the moment. [size= 20]Cough Rifty Cough[/size]
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Great Kleomentia » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:14 am
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Rather than leaping to conclusions, it would probably be best if you waited for the moderator discussion on this topic to wrap up, and a definitive answer to be given - thanks for your patience.
by Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:18 am
Great Kleomentia wrote:Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Rather than leaping to conclusions, it would probably be best if you waited for the moderator discussion on this topic to wrap up, and a definitive answer to be given - thanks for your patience.
Would you not already have a definitive answer on a topic such as this, seeing how you obviously had no trouble acting on several similar cases. With all due respect to the hard working moderation team, which takes their own free time to keep the forum in order, i have to point out how ridiculous a large number of moderation rulings are, explicitly in gameplay areas. By this point it really does seem like the whole event was done somewhat on a whim, on the moderation's behalf.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:42 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Consular » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:22 pm
by Chester Pearson » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:04 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
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