[Discussion] Should the moderation team adhere to profession

[Sauvage]

I doubt anything here will change, the moderation is sarky, quick and tends to take action for silly things.

They've been at there jobs awhile, even if we had a claim they could act more professional (And I doubt it) they would fall back into the habit of snubbing their nose to the players they take action against. It's possible but highly unlikely they could follow through with a claim.

But then again I'm just bias because they fuck with me on a monthly basis.

[Blood Wine]

So basically you want them to act like robots without emotions? on subjects that raise emotions from the entire community?

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

So basically you want them to act like robots without emotions? on subjects that raise emotions from the entire community?

When offering official rulings on whether something has broken a rule? We want them to be respectful to the reporter and unbiased/unemotional in their sentencing of the rule-breaker. If that's the same as a robot to you, then so be it.

[Blood Wine]

So basically you want them to act like robots without emotions? on subjects that raise emotions from the entire community?

When offering official rulings on whether something has broken a rule? We want them to be respectful to the reporter and unbiased/unemotional in their sentencing of the rule-breaker. If that's the same as a robot to you, then so be it.

First off,let's look at the main problem here presented is the lock on the longest moderation topic ever

Basically,you want them to put a "professional ruling",without any "personal bias or emotions",how the hell do you expect that? it was a figurative 80 page thread of poop throwing that did nearly nothing to help the situation,how do you expect a reply without personal influences? - just closing it down without an explanation would have caused MORE complaints then that we got now

Secondly,near all other rulings are without bias,if a mod is involved in the issue he'll recurse himself (like Mall did on the whole liberate haven thing),and 99% of the time they are respectful,unless you can prove otherwise

[Dumb Ideologies]

Also, while "professional standards" are clearly a bit much to expect from people who aren't being paid.

Absolute nonsense. Volunteers are held to professional standards of behaviour all the time.

If they're doing important things like charity work, maybe. Expecting the equivalent when trying to keep a bunch of kiddies who like to pretend they are national leaders in line on a website established to promote a decade-old book? Well excuuuuuuuse me, Princess.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

When offering official rulings on whether something has broken a rule? We want them to be respectful to the reporter and unbiased/unemotional in their sentencing of the rule-breaker. If that's the same as a robot to you, then so be it.

First off,let's look at the main problem here presented is the lock on the longest moderation topic ever

Basically,you want them to put a "professional ruling",without any "personal bias or emotions",how the hell do you expect that? it was a figurative 80 page thread of poop throwing that did nearly nothing to help the situation,how do you expect a reply without personal influences? - just closing it down without an explanation would have caused MORE complaints then that we got now

I have no idea to which thread you're referring, and evn if I did this is a discussion of a general problem some of us have perceived, not a response to any one specific action.

[Blood Wine]

I do remember reading DLN's rather... crude... post on the Mentor Team's letter regarding the M&R incident, after locking it. I know, we're allowed to swear on the maternal copulating forum, but I found that it was a little excessive with the language, especially since it was just to explain the reason for the thread lock.

That's why I'm fearful of Nathi...

I understand that most Mods are aged, so it is only natural for there to be some cynicism, but they should bear in mind that most forum posters are 13-17 years old, and are still children, not to mention the many underage forum posters around that do not reveal their age...

^this

Also,nice editing to ignore my second point

[Dyakovo]

So basically you want them to act like robots without emotions? on subjects that raise emotions from the entire community?

No, we want them to comport in a professional manner in the execution of their duties as moderators. In theory, part of the reason why they were selected as mods is that they have shown themselves to be good examples to the rest of the community. I don't think that asking them to continue to do that is asking to much of them. Two examples of mods who manage to do that already pop immediately to mind: Euroslavia and The Archregimency…

[Blood Wine]

So basically you want them to act like robots without emotions? on subjects that raise emotions from the entire community?

No, we want them to comport in a professional manner in the execution of their duties as moderators. In theory, part of the reason why they were selected as mods is that they have shown themselves to be good examples to the rest of the community. I don't think that asking them to continue to do that is asking to much of them. Two examples of mods who manage to do that already pop immediately to mind: Euroslavia and The Archregimency…

Not sure if I want to reply to someone paranoid about moderation reading TGs,but where did they not act in a professional manner?

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

That's why I'm fearful of Nathi...

I understand that most Mods are aged, so it is only natural for there to be some cynicism, but they should bear in mind that most forum posters are 13-17 years old, and are still children, not to mention the many underage forum posters around that do not reveal their age...

^this

Also,nice editing to ignore my second point

Ah. As I said, this isn't about one instance.
I chose to edit out your second point because I wasn't responding to it in that post, not to evade the question. Just one moment, please, and I'll edit in an instance of a mod being disrespectful to someone with a legitimate grievance.
Edit: This is the most recent example. Read it all, don't just read the first two or three and pass judgement. I'm certain others can find better examples, but I'm on a mobile right now.

Actually, now that I think about it? I suspect you've made up your mind and any evidence against your opinion will be dismissed. I don't know why I suspect that, it's just the impression you give off.

[Blood Wine]

1.keep the context
2.one swallow does not make a summer

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

1.keep the context
2.one swallow does not make a summer

1. I see. In future discussions with you I'll endeavor to keep all quotes complete rather than clip them for clarity's sake, as I can understand how it might seem.
2. (Temporarily forgot a swallow was a type of bird, was incredibly confused, cleared that up now.) I think if the issue was so small as to be one swallow in a summer then there wouldn't be so much discussion of it.

[Blood Wine]

1.keep the context
2.one swallow does not make a summer

1. I see. In future discussions with you I'll endeavor to keep all quotes complete rather than clip them for clarity's sake, as I can understand how it might seem.
2. (Temporarily forgot a swallow was a type of bird, was incredibly confused, cleared that up now.) I think if the issue was so small as to be one swallow in a summer then there wouldn't be so much discussion of it.

1.I was jumping the gun just to avoid having discussions about context later
2.meant to say "one case does not mean all cases"

regarding the example you provided

1.report
2.ruling
3.insulting from the reporter
4.actually not a ruling,more a note from the person (also,the comments are justified by the response the reporter gave,which was less then nice)
5.personal attack
6.unrelated spam
7.slap on the wrist for unrelated spam
8.reporter being less then nice again
9.unrelated person (the OP of this thread) intefering
10.closing the thread

Where exactly was the "unprofessional behavior" here? the only one being unprofessional here is the reporter himself

[Sdaeriji]

Discussing specific examples in a discussion thread has been consistently ruled by moderation to be against the purpose of a discussion thread and gets such threads locks. Demanding specific examples in a discussion thread seems little more than an effort to get the discussion shut down prematurely.

[Axis Nova]

You want professionalism, feel free to open your wallet and start paying them accordingly.

[Coraxion]

Paid or not, still it would be good if there would be some kind badge for example indicating when Moderator is performing moderation job and when he/she is participating to the thread as a player of Game.

It would be always clear for everyone when moderator gameplayer is playing game and when moderating. Also evaluation of moderation performances could be easier and more fair that way, and non-necessary misunderstandings in responses would help people avoid stupid warnings when feeling thay are not treated fairly but not knowing exactly could they answer Mod-Player's comments as a Player-to-player manner or Player-to-Moderator-in-duty way (usually best if not answering/replying at all).

A Sort of Badge attached to 'official' moderation comments and acts could be good to have included to higher standard moderation customs.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Paid or not, still it would be good if there would be some kind badge for example indicating when Moderator is performing moderation job and when he/she is participating to the thread as a player of Game.

Nothing stops the mods from switching to other nations to "play", nor from having .sig blocks that say "Puppet of moderator name." for those puppets. In fact, I'd be surprised if some didn't do that already.

[Dyakovo]

You want professionalism, feel free to open your wallet and start paying them accordingly.

As has been repeatedly pointed out, volunteers are routinely expected to perform their job in a professional manner.

[Euroslavia]

Paid or not, still it would be good if there would be some kind badge for example indicating when Moderator is performing moderation job and when he/she is participating to the thread as a player of Game.

Nothing stops the mods from switching to other nations to "play", nor from having .sig blocks that say "Puppet of moderator name." for those puppets. In fact, I'd be surprised if some didn't do that already.

Not everyone has signatures enabled and not everyone actually reads them. And that's not even going into how time consuming it would be to swap back and forth to deal with something in Moderation, then swap back to make a post in NSG.

[Fartsniffage]

Nothing stops the mods from switching to other nations to "play", nor from having .sig blocks that say "Puppet of moderator name." for those puppets. In fact, I'd be surprised if some didn't do that already.

Not everyone has signatures enabled and not everyone actually reads them. And that's not even going into how time consuming it would be to swap back and forth to deal with something in Moderation, then swap back to make a post in NSG.

That, also it's pretty obvious whether a mod has their hat on or not.

[Dyakovo]

Not everyone has signatures enabled and not everyone actually reads them. And that's not even going into how time consuming it would be to swap back and forth to deal with something in Moderation, then swap back to make a post in NSG.

That, also it's pretty obvious whether a mod has their hat on or not.

Not everyone has spy-cams installed in the mods homes...
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>.>
<.<
That's not what you were talking about was it?
My bad...


Seriously though, it is quite easy to tell when they're acting as mods versus taking part in a discussion as a player.

[Roski]

"Hey guys, I have a great idea. Lets just get moderators to stop being human for something they joined on their own, and are not payed for!"

[Euroslavia]

"Hey guys, I have a great idea. Lets just get moderators to stop being human for something they joined on their own, and are not payed for!"

To be fair... there are suspicions about the legitimacy of Arch actually being human.

[Dyakovo]

"Hey guys, I have a great idea. Lets just get moderators to stop being human for something they joined on their own, and are not payed for!"

Performing your job in a professional manner =/= not being human

[Roski]

"Hey guys, I have a great idea. Lets just get moderators to stop being human for something they joined on their own, and are not payed for!"

Performing your jobcommunity service in a professional manner = not being human